On 12/11/14 12:55, Anita Kuno wrote: > On 11/12/2014 11:06 AM, Salvatore Orlando wrote: >> On 12 November 2014 09:53, marios <mar...@redhat.com> wrote: >> >>> On 12/11/14 11:18, Anita Kuno wrote: >>>> On 11/12/2014 08:04 AM, marios wrote: >>>>> On 12/11/14 04:17, Clint Byrum wrote: >>>>>> Just as a counter-point: The entire reason that a mid-cycle is an >>>>>> important thing to do is to achieve higher bandwidth communication >>> between >>>>>> contributors. We can do Hangouts all the time and that's certainly a >>>>>> useful thing. But making the people in the room who have high bandwidth >>>>>> slow down for those who are at the other end of low-bandwidth may not >>> be >>>>>> a productive thing as a whole. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, just a thought as somebody who has tried this before. >>>>> >>>>> I understand but I am definitely not saying the room should slow down >>>>> for someone on hangout - heck I'd be ecstatic if microphones are even >>>>> used). In my experience this can work best if it is understood that >>>>> remotees have a read-only feed into the room audio (best case + video of >>>>> slides) - it makes the world of difference compared to say just staring >>>>> at the etherpad being updated. I don't see this as having a high cost >>>>> to setup (just point a laptop at the speaker, end), >>>>> >>>>> If you are a remotee and need read/write into the meeeting then you >>>>> should prepare beforehand and have stuff written down to share. It is >>>>> only common courtesy, and I absolutely agree it would be in the very >>>>> least inconsiderate to expect the room to stop/slow down to allow any >>>>> kind of conversation to happen over hangout. In fact, just click the >>>>> on-air button and that way you get a youtube link to share, which >>>>> obviously *is* read-only (r/w participation is limited @ 10 afaik), >>>>> >>>>> my 2c, thanks, marios >>>> You seem to have put quite a bit of thought into this marios, why can't >>>> you attend? If the reason is purely financial, please approach Kyle in >>>> private and I will contact him as well to see if we can access some >>>> finances for folks committed to working on the technical debt for >>>> neutron that need financial assistance. >>> >>> thanks very much for your kind offer Anita :) - my gut feeling is that >>> this kind of funding shouldn't be used to subsidize travel for corporate >>> engineers, but it is excellent to know it is there regardles. >>> >> >> You should not see yourself as evil and not worth using foundation budget >> just because you work for a private enterprise! >> After all - it's corporations like yours and mine which fund OpenStack. >> If for any reason your employer can' authorise your travel, and - obviously >> - if you want to come, you should probably do as Anita suggests. > Thanks Salvadore. > > Please start by talking to your manager, marios, if they are willing to > finance any part of your travel (accommodation or food) that is a start. > We can see about organizing car pooling for you. I have a friend in Lehi > who has recommended I rent a car which I am planning on doing. We can > work with others who rent cars to ensure you have a ride to and from the > airport, to meetings, to restaurants and whereever else you need to travel. > > The main decision point is if you want to come. If you want to come we > will do our best to help you attend. But only you can make that > decision. Do let use know what you want.
thanks again Anita and Salvatore: as I said before I don't think it makes sense for this one (Salv: I am in Cyprus, so there is at least an additional hop into EU for connection). I will make use of whatever means are made available for remote participation but to reiterate, I don't anticipate issues with the l2/dhcp functional tests. If it really is too much of a pain to setup audio/hangout for remotees then I will do my best to catchup/follow any related discussions (thanks Salvatore, I will look out for the testing session/working table or related discussion), thanks again, have an excellent day! marios > > Thanks, > Anita. >> >> >>> To be fair I haven't even mentioned this to my manager - imo it doesn't >>> make sense for this one. The specific technical debt I scored at summit >>> is functional testing for l2-agent and dhcp-agent (as well as the >>> general 'help out/reviews etc'). >> >> >> As we are working to get somebody from QA & Infra at the meetup, we will >> probably have a "working table" dedicated to testing. >> >> >>> Neither of those are controversial or >>> require any particular deep discussion about approach :). >> >> >> We're not meeting to argue or have fights. There's already a summit every 6 >> months for that! This meeting is about finalizing designs into low level >> aspects and then getting our hands dirty on the keyboard. >> >> >>> I am based in >>> the far eastern Mediterranean so 1 month is probably also very close to >>> the minimum time before which you can comfortably plan travel to the >>> states. >>> >>> >> Fortunately there are no easyjets or ryanairs for intercontinental flights. >> You can buy reasonably priced tickets up to 2 weeks before departure. Idk >> where you are precisely but flights from London, Rome, and Munich to Salt >> Lake City are around 850 euros at the moment. >> >> >> >>> thanks! marios >>> >>>> >>>> Having you there is far more productive than not. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Anita. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Excerpts from Marios Andreou's message of 2014-11-11 08:56:05 -0800: >>>>>>> +1 would be great to at least have a hangout going >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _sent from my mobile device, sorry for >>> spacing/spelling/top-posting/.*_ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Kyle Mestery [mest...@mestery.com] >>>>>>> Received: Tuesday, 11 Nov 2014, 16:14 >>>>>>> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) [ >>> openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Gary Kotton <gkot...@vmware.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> For those unable to attend will there be an option of remote access? >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> We'll do our best to make this happen. I'll see if we can get a Google >>>>>>> Hangout going in the room, and make sure people are on IRC. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>> Kyle >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11/11/14, 3:04 PM, "Kyle Mestery" <mest...@mestery.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi folks: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Apologies for the delay in announcing the Neutron mid-cycle, but I >>> was >>>>>>>>> confirming the details up until last night. I've captured the >>> details >>>>>>>>> on an etherpad here [1]. The dates are December 8-10 >>>>>>>>> (Monday-Wednesday), and it will be at the Adobe offices in Lehi, >>> Utah, >>>>>>>>> USA. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We're still collecting information on hotels which should be on the >>>>>>>>> etherpad later today. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, looking forward to seeing everyone I missed in Paris! >>>>>>>>> Kyle >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-kilo-midcycle >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> OpenStack-dev mailing list >>>>>>>>> OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org >>>>>>>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> OpenStack-dev mailing list >>>>>>>> OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org >>>>>>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> OpenStack-dev mailing list >>>>>>> OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org >>>>>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> OpenStack-dev mailing list >>>>>> OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org >>>>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> OpenStack-dev mailing list >>>>> OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org >>>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OpenStack-dev mailing list >>>> OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org >>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OpenStack-dev mailing list >>> OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org >>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenStack-dev mailing list >> OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >> > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > _______________________________________________ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev