-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 03/11/2015 02:40 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: >> I think we can make this work. Assuming more than N (to my mind > >> > 5 or so) deployments report they are using project X, we can say >> > that this is used in production/POC/... and the number of >> > nodes/hypervisors/etc. >> > >> > This makes it concrete and anonymous to avoid the fishing queries. >> > It also allows our community to enter what they are doing in one >> > place rather than answering multiple surveys. I am keen to avoid >> > generic queries such as "How many hypervisors are installed for >> > public clouds using Xen" but if we have an agreement that >5 >> > avoids company identification, I feel this is feasible. > [...] > > I'm mildly concerned that this adds a strong incentive to start > gaming responses to/participation in the user survey going forward, > once it gets around that you just need N people to take the survey > and claim to be using this project in production so that it can get > the coveted "production-ready" tag. I'm probably a little paranoid > and certainly would prefer to assume good faith on the part of > everyone in our community, but as the community continues to grow > that faith gets spread thinner and thinner.
Allow me to re-propose the idea that we are dealing with two separate entities here, and need two separate entities to make these calls. There is the the development side of things, where people work hard to get their ideas for OpenStack incorporated into the codebase. There is also the distribution side, where people work hard to get a single deployable package that others can take and make clouds with. So what is "production-ready"? And how would you trust any such designation? I think that it should be the responsibility of groups outside of OpenStack development to make that call. What would that look like? Well, let me give you an example. I have Company A that wants to be known as the simplest OpenStack distribution. I invest time and money in packaging the co-gated core along with a few helpful other projects, and make that available to my customers. There is also Company B, who wants to create the most powerful, flexible packaging of OpenStack, and takes the time to not only include the basics, but develops tools to handle the more complex situations, such as cells or HA designs. This package is not for the faint of heart, and for most businesses it would require contracting for the services of Company B in order to get their installation up and running, as well as fine-tuning it and upgrading it. There are also Company C and Company D who target other end-user needs. They all draw from the codebase that the OpenStack developers create, and, of course, give their feedback as to what changes are needed to make their particular customers happy. If they're smart, they'll supply developer cycles to help make them happen. The longer we try to be both sides of this process, the longer we will continue to have these back-and-forths about stability vs. innovation. - -- Ed Leafe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVAMjCAAoJEKMgtcocwZqLkKIP/0ReARgypM+eXnu7xDguJIF/ 6QW8RI7tdHpBFrRZfrBaRahDstFdPQiaBxj1XhFbzoKP+BrUvvfLMnxhJ5cRX0ey mz842khScuGmLFzteKvLWwyOia425CZQRnNNaHYjiwii3Agu3a5JTnUi0FeDxZi4 bD/ZFb/1OxqyVVf2eOJ/T0akVQBqB9QGGNtBnPJEmgEjUl6AhOplLnOkOl1ozRSW svlCE7Wyq/Gtl86Ksbj1rfDdArO9Hlh3lwJxaJikfV3O316kqfjx+v7JVcrwdXrK qqNtDUpC/tjlReDuDmrPixa0e8/z9Go4TiF1F6nQ4LbY8itMzRKeVbrUPrx4ojlh DOE/uOhxh8iTYKOncPsxQlfhbIk0VwzCDWZzDbRxEUpV8Jnzz1ImeosCO3D5/sRL G+Rd2gr9rsbwQxtJLA1Q2zQUqnJ6Vvsvx2BgV87ukl0kudF9X/1NaGrJRmeiKYxk UDgd0ESYnp9GQMCORcoDa6hNKnPA0yLebqOEyi5dGMwem8JHjYFDx6D9fVfkrxlQ 7Kt+SfRmm+1zsHcbZIUz6KEPAvU0cmFdbuG7DwnmKSxpPamUnn3wmpIZRDpdwGIj fY3F2dTeEYoNnTyiitLTCKZYE0KaKpFDOAN+FpDNnQJIqQMn/ksxy9/NHYvsmutD 5DE1LjWhip9IdcVVm+bT =8L0C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
