Le 17/08/2010 15:12, Graham Lauder a écrit :

> Our market penetration is below what it should be considering the corporate 
> backing we have, the maturity of the project and the quality of the product. 

it's the result of history, and on this brand have little to do.

Understand me: I don't say we don't have to make our logo/branding
better! But It looks like you didn't follow all the SuSE history :-).
The lizard was changed many times, and once we changed even the green to
take blue. This was not a good choice and we come back to green. Let
alone because most other colors are already used by others distros.

>  From a visual impact point of view and from a style point of view it is not 
> good, we like it because it's familiar.  Familiarity however, breeds 
> complacency. 

and who say so? You. I don't. where is the market study, the value
engineering study (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_engineering)?

> It is in fact well known compared to ours, if only because of the warm fuzzy 
> story behind it

I have an ubuntu official cd right in front of myself, and I don't see
where is there a brand! 10.04 written in big dots, and dots all under
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:wwd-6EJXzj8whM:http://aleex.fr/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/2010-05-22-15.31.43.jpg
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http://api.ning.com/files/VE6O*Ddc5Bo8J-6M-MjhO*XyiN1O1nm87khUrW1UYSYp1sfKX7-wKe3s45F7AMUgC1WD8qEmGitnAno5R4DIsTJSAQ0rvUrU/CDUbuntu10.04.LTS.300pin.jpg?width=139&height=136)

> Ok then, define for me if you will the target demographic that this branding 
> and style was aimed at.  

YES. This we have to do (see the strategy discussion). And YES, I think
green is today the real target: people world future aware are much
closer of the open source spirit than most others

> Not dangerous, scary, it's an entirely different thing.  If a brand isn't 
> working then change it. 

did you notice McDonald changed red to green :-)))


 Find the demographic of the target market and design
> to suit. It doesn't actually mean that we need to abandon the old branding.  
> Changing the branding is only problematic if it's done badly and really 
> speaking there was no real plan around our present branding, it was done to 
> make the project feel good about itself, in other words it was aimed 
> internally.

yes, as somebody else said, we have to build a marketing team, fine tune
the branding and promote it.

Don't forget openSUSE had first to battle to build a distro (the move to
Novell was not that easy), a wiki, mailing lists, forums, localized
sites, a community.

And now we can go ahead and speak about brand.

So thanks opening this discussion!

jdd


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