24 maj 2013 kl. 11:00 skrev Dave Cridland <[email protected]>: > On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:25 AM, Peter Saint-Andre <[email protected]> > wrote: > On 5/23/13 4:50 PM, Justin Uberti wrote: > > I just realized my statement could be parsed 2 different ways. To > > be clear: it is sad that spammers were more willing to adopt > > XMPP*than other IM networks were willing to*. Believe me, we > > tried. > > I completely agree! > > > Ah, that makes a lot more sense, yes. > > Though I'd still point out that in terms of federating XMPP enterprises, and > so on, there's a lot of domains which *could* federate. > > Some 15,000 Lync domains potentially, for instance. > > Don't you feel embarrassed that Microsoft is now better at open standards > than Google in this area? :-) > > It's interesting that open federation is taken for granted in email > (perhaps because people think it's always been that way, even though > it wasn't always that way), whereas it's a tough sell for anything > else (IM, voice, video, social networking, etc.). I still don't quite > understand why... > > > I think email was different for three reasons: > > 1) Email came about mostly before the Internet took off - indeed, there's an > argument that the Internet expansion was driven by email, not the other way > around. This placed restrictions on how email could grow. > > 2) SMTP was chosen as the lowest common denominator; it's a gatewaying > protocol at heart (as made obvious when you look at early design MTAs like > sendmail). XMPP, however, has end-to-end properties, so it's harder to use > for gatewaying to non-XMPP networks together. (Though people seem to manage > fine) > > 3) The way advertising now operates (and it may very well change) relies on > having as much personal and behavioural information on the subjects as > possible - there's no incentive for networks to federate if they're > consumer-grade and large enough, it's better for their advertising to be a > walled garden.
Twitter seems to have a lot of experience here. ON the Stockholm Internet Forum the other day someone from Twitter talked about their spam filters. Maybe they can join the discussion. /O
