As my personal opinion - both.

On 7/27/20, 10:22, "TLS on behalf of Salz, Rich" <[email protected] on 
behalf of [email protected]> wrote:

    >    Understood. However, in this particular case, instead of "if you want 
to do this, then do it that way, and I'll help you inter-operate" I prefer "if 
you want to do this - you're on your own, don't seek a blessing or advice from 
me".

    So you don't feel that community is welcome here at the IETF, or that you 
won't personally participate?


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