thus Eugen Leitl spake:
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:28:23AM +0200, Timo Schoeler wrote:
that's true, for sure. However, we create a parallel world doing this.
Hidden services will run very fine with only middleman and bridge nodes.
That's not a bug, it's a feature.
I never said that it's a bug. I just said that if we drop the connection
to the 'normal' internet we lost the fight. Things like the french
revolution were without avail.
From a metaphysical POV (IMHO), TOR is (partly) existing to defend
civil rights. But to be able to do this, it must exist not only in a
The free, uncesored Intenet is dead.
So, we already lost it.
The sooner we acknowledge this,
and realize that we need an anonymizing publishing layer on top of
that the better.
The problem is that TOR (and any other system accomplishing this target)
excludes the 'masses', if one may say so.
I keep harping about that since early 1990s. Surisingly
little has happened since.
'parallel world'. Losing connection to 'this world' (today's internet)
would mean to lose the 'war'.
Things are never quite black and white.
A few things are, some are not. Have you ever seen a girl being 'a
little big pregnant'? ;)
There is a network that is
censored and sniffed but also accountable, and hence less prone to abuse.
On top of that you can have a network that anonymous/pseudonymous,
unaccountable, and slightly abusive.
There's a place for both of them to exist.