Ahh, but in ISO9000 land, you need to fill the paper-work out to prove that
you have kicked every box before you shipped it like you said you would, and
then ask the customer if they can attest to the fact that you have kicked
the box.
what this has to do with delivering the product is quite interesting.
Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional
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The way I see the ISO900x stuff is this.
If you say I kick every box before I ship it to a customer, and you do just
that consistency. You are a ISO900x perfect company.
Although consistency is extremely important, so isn't efficiency,
credibility, as well as many other big words.
"Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
both are frozen."
Christopher R. Spence
Oracle DBA
Fuelspot
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Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:02 AM
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ISO9000 because it will tell you whether the shop is methodical or not.
Whether there are expected consistent deliverables or not.
At the same time, because ISO certification is a double-edged sword, you
will find out whether the manager is an empire builder, and whether they
implemented ISO properly there. In some places ISO is just a huge paperwork
exercise, à la Dilbert.
In other places ISO certification can be used to prevent narcissistic
careerist empire builders from circumventing company policies re. staffing
allotments, resource distribution within departments, and whether the staff
there is qualified to do their jobs or not. ISO can also be use to prevent
overlaps in responsibility, and it can force managers to really take
responsibility for their departments to walk the talk so to speak.
Before I reincarnated as an Oracle DBA I worked in a pharmaceutical
company's audit department and one manager absolutely refused to be specific
about what each of his staff people's responsibilities were. He wanted to
peg problems on any of them, from day to day, and not leave a record, so
that if there ever was a problem he could "delegate" accountability to his
subordinates.
The euphemism for this sort of thing is "a team player" - when you see that
on job postings, be wary.
Anyway, I'm cutting down on the e-mails now. That should be a relief to
some list members.
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
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Subject: RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun question)
Or just - are you certified? :)
-----Original Message-----
Patrice J
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:36
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How about: Are you ISO9000 certified?
: )
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Curry [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:50 PM
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Subject: RE: OT - interviewing your superior(fun
question)
I like the other fun question that was sent to me privately.
What makes you better qualified than me, to do my job?
Daniel Curry
Systems Administrator
CGtime, Inc.
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Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:56 PM
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Subject: Re: OT - interviewing your superior(fun
question)
Ok i'll throw one in for fun:
Are you willing to give me a 25% pay increase every year
regardless
of
state of the company?
Joe
Daniel Curry wrote:
>
> I am in a position to interview candidates who will
ultimately be
my
> boss.
>
> I am the net admin in a mixed Unix/Win/Linux environment,
with
Oracle
> databases, but no DBA (very simple databases).
>
> My question is for 'example' questions to ask these guys
to get a
full
> grasp of their management styles, political abilities,
technical
> competencies, etc. Any suggestions would be useful.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Daniel Curry
> Systems Administrator
> CGtime, Inc.
> 625 Second Street
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