RE: 2nd DBA or ?

[Todd Carlson]

Title: RE: 2nd DBA or ?

What’s with the normal sig. What the hell happened to the Wanton Kicking Boxing Goddess Lisa?   Todd Carlson Oracle Database Administrator Tripos, Inc.     -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Koivu, Lisa Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 9:21 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: 2nd DBA or ?   Another angle:  when I left my last job, I was the only dba.  They panicked and did everything they could to try to keep me.  The result was they were left without a skilled dedicated dba, assigning my job responsibilities to a bda (big dumb a$$) who tried to learn it in one week.  Any manager should be well aware of how dependent they become on just one person in such an important role.  What if that person gets hit by a bus? Lisa Koivu Oracle Database Administrator Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 954-935-4117   -----Original Message----- From:   Christopher Spence [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:   Friday, September 21, 2001 9:15 AM To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:        RE: 2nd DBA or ? Agreed, it is in the best interest of the company to have two Oracle professionals.  ESPECIALLY if your doing in house development. Production support, generally the amount of dba's is very black and white, you can tell by the amount of work they are doing and how much has to be put off to the next day.  As for development, it is not as measurable.  I tend to like a lot of involvement with development, even help out code when there are some issues that need to resolve quickly.  It is very noticeable when a product is development without dba involvement.   "Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes." Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax:    (707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863     -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, this seems to me to be a cynical/paranoid way of looking at things. Probably true in some circles though. Personally, I'm with the Hire A Second DBA crowd. I, too, would much rather have a life. Too much fun stuff to do out there, too many places to go and beer to drink. --Walt (I'm goin' fishin') Weaver   Bozeman, Montana -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 5:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L   If we lived in a perfect world, where the employee matters, then I would hire an additional DBA to share ideas and responsibility. However, since we live in a capatilistic world, I would do the job by myself for the following reasons: 1. Management will see one of you as being redundant during financial problems because there was one person doing this job before, therefore they can get rid of one of the DBAs and still be ok. 2. Mamangement acknowledges that there is a possible need to hire an additional person, thus acknowledging that you do the job of two people. This is a benefit to you for asking for a big pay increase. 3. Hiring Oracle consultants and purchasing software are tax deductible to the company as opposed to paying a salary to another person and providing them with Health Care and Office Space. At least in the USA. 4. If you hire a entry-level DBA, chances are that he/she  will learn his skill set from you and then move on to bigger opportunities (which puts you back to square one) or he/she will just stab you in the back to try to get your job. Regards, Satar -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Weaver, Walt   INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services    -- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California        -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from).  You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Christopher Spence   INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services    -- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California        -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from).  You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).