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David A. Barbour
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A problem with RTFM is when the manual is over 10,000 pages long.
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
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Yeah, once they find out this job isn't a cakewalk, they vanish.
For those that:
* live for challenge
* are afraid of nothing and not intimidated by complexity
* make that, 'love complexity' )
* can't forget about a problem until it's fixed
* willing to RTFM til they drop
* design and execute tests to understand how things work
* RTFM some more
* drive technology. Hey, there's more to a good DBA than databases.
* did I mention RTFM?
* learn from their mistakes
* admit they make mistakes
* RTFM to minimize mistakes
All others need not apply.
Jared
"No guts, no glory" )
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You need to find some new cooks then.
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In our shop we've tried the cross training tact. Problem was that those
who
accepted the challenge could not take the heat, so they left the kitchen.
Damn!!!
Dick Goulet
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Author: "CHAN Chor Ling Catherine (CSC)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 12/26/2001 4:50 PM
I quite agree with Kimberly. I used to be a full-fledge Oracle programmer
but wanted to dabble with database administration. I asked my boss whether
I
could be a database administrator. His answer is yes but I still need to
maintain my current systems. Now, I am a database
administrator-cum-programmer. I support turnkey projects, automate
processes for my users, maintain current projects, install/maintain
database
& support Oracle Applications etc.
Prepare for lots of OT but what the heck, U will get to learn a lots of
interesting things in the process ....
New Bees
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If you work on a site like I do you could always cross
train. I am always
looking for suckers (um, people) to be my backup. Right
now
I use one from
the Unix team and one from the development team. Its the
only way I get to
take vacations and what no. Check with your current DBA
and
see if they are
willing to train you while you are off doing your 'real'
job. Of course,
there are some folks who are worried about job security (or
are just
assholes)
and they would not give you the time of day. You don't
want
to learn from
those folks anyway. The excuse, "I'm too busy" is not
really valid either.
Training someone allowed me to offload some of my work.
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With your current background, your more likely to land a
job
as a network
administrator LONG before you'll end up in a database
position. Access is
still
looked on as a single user system and frankly I haven't run
into any large
scale
applications that use it, period. One of my current tasks
is working with a
forecasting package that states in the manual that Access
should only be
used
for the demos. Any other application of the package should
use Oracle or
DB2.
Also a SPC (Statistical Process Control, for those who
don't
know, don't ask
further) package we're evaluating (actually two of them)
won't work with
Access
even for the demos. Therefore, I'd suggest staying with
the
networking
world.
It will be around as long as database administration, if
not
longer. Your
already trained and certified, and getting a Cisco
certification is no small
feat. If you really want to move into database admin, your
probably looking
at
2 to 3 years of learning and smaller paychecks as you pay
your dues.
BTW: A database restore usually takes a lot longer than
fixing a network
outage,
to boot.
Dick Goulet
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Date: 12/23/2001 11:15 PM
Hi!
I'm looking into getting into the field of Database
Administrating. Right
now, I have experience with MS Access and have created
several databases for
companies that I have worked with in the past with Access.
I'm looking for a jump in my career and the next logical
step for me, I
would
think, would be in database field. However, I also have
some networking
knowledge (Cisco certified...). So, I'm looking into the
advantages of both
fields. I have some questions & I'm not sure who to ask or
where to get my
answers. But, here they go:
Questions for a Database Administrator:
1) What is your typical workday like?
2) Do you work a lot of overtime?
3) What are the most valuable databse programs to learn?
4) If I was to look into learning these, should I take
classes? Where would
you recommend I look for classes in the Los Angeles area?
5) What language, if any, are important (Java, XML, Visual
Basic, etc.)?
6) What programs are starting to get obsolete?
7) Is it worth it to get vendor certifications (Microsoft,
Oracle)? If so,
are there certain books that you recommend to study?
8) Is it worth it to get a degree? If so, what specific
one?
9) Are there any other programs or technologies that are
valuable to learn?
10) Are there any associations or other groups that you
belong to as a DBA?
11) What kinds of companies hire DBAs?
12) What companies do you recommed to work for? Know of
any
currently
hiring?
13) With my background, what is the best way to advance and
work my way into
a real DBA position?
Thank you, whom ever reads this and answers back with at
least some answers
to some of the questions. I really appreciate your help!!!
Please, respond to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
smiles,
me
thank you!
<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Hi!
<BR>I'm looking into getting into the field of Database
Administrating.
Right now, I have experience with MS Access and have
created several
databases for companies that I have worked with in the past
with Access.
<BR>
<BR>I'm looking for a jump in my career and the next
logical
step for me, I
would think, would be in database field. However, I
also have some
networking knowledge (Cisco certified...). So, I'm
looking into the
advantages of both fields. I have some questions
&
I'm not sure
who to
ask or where to get my answers. But, here they go:
<BR>
<BR>Questions for a Database Administrator:
<BR>
<BR>1) What is your typical workday like?
<BR>2) Do you work a lot of overtime?
<BR>3) What are the most valuable databse programs to
learn?
<BR>4) If I was to look into learning these, should I take
classes?
Where
would you recommend I look for classes in the Los Angeles
area?
<BR>5) What language, if any, are important (Java, XML,
Visual Basic, etc.)?
<BR>6) What programs are starting to get obsolete?
<BR>7) Is it worth it to get vendor certifications
(Microsoft, Oracle)? If
so,
are there certain books that you recommend to study?
<BR>8) Is it worth it to get a degree? If so, what
specific one?
<BR>9) Are there any other programs or technologies that
are
valuable to
learn?
<BR>10) Are there any associations or other groups that you
belong to as a
DBA?
<BR>11) What kinds of companies hire DBAs?
<BR>12) What companies do you recommed to work for?
Know of any
currently
hiring?
<BR>13) With my background, what is the best way to advance
and work my way
into
a real DBA position?
<BR>
<BR>Thank you, whom ever reads this and answers back with
at
least some
answers
to some of the questions. I really appreciate your
help!!!
<BR>Please, respond to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<BR>
<BR>smiles,
<BR>me
<BR>
<BR>thank you!</FONT></HTML>
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