Kevin, Shutdown immediate must be a preferred option but under some senarios like distributed databases involving diffrent machines has no option but to use shutdown abort , startup restrict and shutdown immediate otherwise you will not be able to shutdown all of your databases in a defined time frame......Before using shutdown abort it is suggested to use alter system checkpoint....
I am using it for couple of years through scripts and never seen any problem. It applies to ver 7.3.4.5 to 9i Production databases on HPUX 11.0 involving size from 40 to 80GB databases. Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:33:57 -0800 Well..... I'll agree with you only on the basis that shutdown immediate sometimes hangs and in those cases it is quicker to do the abort/start/shut normal combination. However, based on a quick review of my logs from last night (cold backup), I see the shutdown immediate took about 12 seconds. The following startup (which needed no recovery) took about a minute. Had I used the shut abort technique, I expect I would have seen, let's say 5 seconds for the shut abort, 60 seconds or so for the startup restricted, then about 12 seconds for the shutdown normal. Hmmm. Doesn't seem so cut and dried to me. I think I'll keep using my shutdown script that tries shutdown immediate and only does the abort, etc. if immediate takes too long. At this site, the shutdown immediate only seems to fail about once a month. I can live with that unless someone comes up with a more compelling reason why the shutdown abort is better than a shutdown immediate. So far, all I've seen is the argument that shutdown abort is not evil -- I'm not one who thinks it is evil, I'm just not convinced that it is somehow better. Kevin Kennedy First Point Energy Corporation -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:14 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L imm I don't necessarily agree that shutdown immediate is quicker. If you force a checkpoint prior to the shutdown abort the subsequent crash recovery upon startup is usually pretty fast. Parallel recovery could be a factor as well. - Rich -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 1:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L immedia For openers, shutdown immediate is generally quicker than the combination of shutdown-abort/startup-restrict/shutdown-normal. It is also gentler. Consider the analogy of shutting down a Windows desktop computer. Is it preferable to do a standard software shutdown (and maybe tell Windows that you really want to end that hung process) or is it preferable to yank the plug out of the wall then plug it back in again, start up the machine, then shut it down gracefully? I always try to shut Windows down gracefully and only pull the plug when the damn thing is too stupid or brain dead to figure out what shutdown means. I do the same with Oracle. Kevin Kennedy First Point Energy Corporation -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 7:53 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L immedia > -----Original Message----- > From: April Wells [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > The solutions (the ones that I got) aren't good ones. > > Shutdown abort/startup restricted/ shutdown immediate... (a 'VALID > solution'???) This might be a naive question, but why is -> shutdown immediate better than -> shutdown abort / startup restrict / shutdown normal ? (That is assuming of course that no user / job will try to sneak in after you do the startup restrict) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohammad Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
