> April Wells wrote:
> 
> Yes, I WHOLE heartedly agree, and we do a shutdown immediate now,  but the
> point is... Oracle SUPPORT seems to be of the opinion that rather than trying
> to figure out what is 'wrong' we should just do a shutdown abort it 'Is a
> valid solution'.  I'm guessing there IS a REASON it is doing this... and that
> it is only doing it in one of my three financials instances CONSISTENTLY...
> and NOT the one that was the source of the recent clone.
> 
> ajw
> 

<SNIP>

April --

Yes, this is a valid "work-around".  And, No, in _my_ opinion, this should not
consider the problem "solved".  There is (obviously) a bug somewhere that is
causing the instance to "hang" when you do a "shutdown immediate".  That bug
should be addressed and/or corrected.

I seem to remember a time when some of the "conventional wisdom" stated that you
should ONLY do shutdown abort and NEVER do shutdown immediate.  However, when I
started digging into the "whys" of this statement, what I was able to come up
with was a bug in a particular release of the Oracle RDBMS on HP/UX (I think it
was 7.1.3, but I'm not sure).  Interestingly enough, the DBA's I was speaking to
that *SWORE* you should never do shutdown immediate were all on HP/UX.

So, from my standpoint, (and the stated purpose of each of the shutdown
commands), SHUTDOWN IMMEDIATE is the correct shutdown.  Abort/Startup/Shutdown
Normal *will* work in your situation as a valid work-around.  However, the bug
should still be investigated and corrected.

Have you investigated pro-actively upgrading the RDBMS to a (slightly) more
current version?  (I'm not suggesting 9i here, but as I recall you're 8.1.7.3. 
I believe that an 8.1.7.4 exists, just maybe not on AIX).

-- James
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