Jonathan,
This is the forum for critical analysis. No question about it. Someone publishes stuff here and there are tons of people like Rachel, yourself and Robert who will disagree and say why. I have heard several critiques of books, training classes, papers and seminars on this list, and look at the discussion the top 10 do and don't list is receiving. I don't think anyone has a problem with open honest discussion so long as claims are backed up and you're not calling the person names (which I know you weren't). And even if someone did go to name calling, Jared will take care of them. He's pretty good about that. No one should think that they should not be allowed to disagree with anything said on this forum, so long as they have the stat/proof/test/etc to back it up. So if you (or anyone else) have a problem with Rich's work and can prove it is incorrect and/or dangerous, then say so and put out your reasons. You may save someone from a mistake that will cost them. Let those who agree with Rich respond with their say and hash it out, here on the list. That is, in it's essence, what this list is about.
--Chris
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From: Jonathan Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 11:50 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: Teradata baned from IOUG???
Robert,
I agree, personal attacks are inappropriate and
fairly pointless. On the other hand, I do sympathise
with the people who are irritated by the divergence
between Rich Niemiec's claims to be one of the best,
and the poor, even dangerous, work that he publishes.
Please note, I do not believe he is trying to mislead
his readers into dangerous or unsuitable areas, but
the combination of his claims to expertise, past
reputation, and generally sketchy comments can easily
persuade individuals to 'try option X' simply because
Rich has written a few lines which say "option X exists
and this is an example from the manuals".
The question has to be asked, therefore, where is
the forum for questioning the material published by a
"guru" and if there is one, how do you avoid crossing
the line between criticising the material and criticising
the person ?
Personally, I don't mind if Rich thinks he's one of the
best in the world; but I'd far rather see him publish
a lower quantity and higher quality - his present output
does not do his reputation credit.
Regards
Jonathan Lewis
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Freeman Robert - IL wrote:
> I must admit that I'm a bit tired of the Rich/TUSC bashing here.
I've
> written and canned two rather terse responses to personal attacks
> against Rich. If you want to disagree with his position on BHR, go
for
> it, I have no problem with that. In fact, I'm not sure I *know* what
> his current position is, and will attend his presentation to find
out
> (I suppose I could ask him since I will be at the office tomorrow).
>
> Personal attacks really are pointless. I would APPRECIATE IT if they
> would cease.
>
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