I must
admit that I'm a bit tired of the Rich/TUSC bashing here. I've written and
canned two rather terse responses to personal attacks against Rich. If you want
to disagree with his position on BHR, go for it, I have no problem with that. In
fact, I'm not sure I *know* what his current position is, and will attend his
presentation to find out (I suppose I could ask him since I will be at the
office tomorrow).
Personal attacks really are pointless. I would APPRECIATE IT if they
would cease.
Further, I am presenting at IOUG-A this year, TWO times. However, I was
NOT, repeat NOT, a TUSC employee when I was selected. Why should anyone be
*excluded* just because of where they work. If I have something to say that is
considered worthy of presentation, then should I be discriminated against just
because I work for TUSC?
Of
those complaining, I'd be curious if you submitted an abstract (even
better more than one) and what the rejected topic was.
RF
Robert G. Freeman
Technical Management Consultant
TUSC -
The Oracle Experts www.tusc.com
904.708.5076
Cell (It's everywhere that I am!)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Adams, Matthew (GECP, MABG, 088130) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:19 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: Teradata baned from IOUG???If there is a demand, I will be happy to expound at some lengthon the processes by which the papers for our track were chosen,but I do believe that a different forum mightbe appropriate, as we are getting a bit far off the maintopic of how to manage Oracle technology.We spent last weekend in Gatlinburg/Pigeon ForgeThe drive on I-75 from Knoxville, TN up to Lexington, KY and thenI-64 over to Louisville was quite a drive as well.Send me an e-mail offline next time your going tobe in the area and I'll introduce to the very fine productsof the Bluegrass Brewing Company.----
Matt Adams - GE Appliances - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
We have enough youth.
How about a fountain of intelligence?-----Original Message-----
From: Loughmiller, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:00 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: Teradata baned from IOUG???go get'm big dawg.... In all honesty, this was educational to me as I'm not sure that a lot of people understand the process for the selection.. I have learned something today. And once that's accomplished, I need to celebrate.. So now I can go home and drink beer for the rest of the day:-)Matt-I65 was really ugly last weekend with the Sunday Ice:-)-----Original Message-----
From: Adams, Matthew (GECP, MABG, 088130) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:51 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: Teradata baned from IOUG???Alright, Mogens. I'll stand up here.I'm one of the two DBA focus area managers (FAMs) for IOUG 2003. My fellowFAM and abstract reviewers (3 of them) and I are the ones whochoose this presentation (along with all the others in the DBA track).None of us are employed by TUSC or by Oracle.You statement: "how certain presentations with the word "ratio" andsomething negative in their heading don't make it through theselection process, while presentations with the word "ratio"and something positive make it through." is technically accurate.The only other presentation with the word "ratio" in the title wasrejected. However, there are a number of others presentationsthat fall within this specific area of tuning by a number of people,including Roger Schrag, Cary Millsap, Jonathan Lewis,I cannot and will not go into the particulars of why aspecific presentation was chosen, but I can tell youthat no weight was given to the employer of the speaker.----
Matt Adams - GE Appliances - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
We have enough youth.
How about a fountain of intelligence?-----Original Message-----Then why this feeling (in other countries, too) that IOUG should be called TOUG instead? Funny how certain presentations with the word "ratio" and something negative in their heading don't make it through the selection process, while presentations with the word "ratio" and something positive make it through. Funny how an abstract like the following nonsense makes it through the process. Just downright funny, strange and not very convincing... who in their right mind said this was a professional presentation that would be of interest to any serious optimiser guy or girl? Somebody must have said Aye to this. Are you ready? Here we go:
From: Mogens N�rgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 3:34 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: Teradata baned from IOUG???
"Lately, there has been a big push to ignore your hit ratio with claims
that it is meaningless. This shallow minded view (usually by people who
sell a tuning tool) ignores why people look at hit ratios and what they
are looking for. This quick tip talk will show you what to look for and
why. You will definitely know when, where & why to look at your hit
ratio in the future.
Show you why your hit ratio matters. How to analyze the hit ratio.
Fallacies by those who want to sell you products and tools instead. "
Henry Poras wrote:
Neither is David Teplow (former president of NOUG)-----Original Message-----I know Stan Yellott is not a TUSC employee. He is the President of RMOUG and a great guy who has worked behind the scenes at many IOUG conferences. He is a tremendous calming influence (as many of us recall from San Diego).
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel W. Fink
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:59 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: Teradata baned from IOUG???
I don't think Ian, Mark, Bill, Stephen or Steve are TUSC Employees, unless they have changed jobs recently.
Henry Poras wrote:
Anyone know if any of the 10 people running for the Board of Directors for IOUG is a TUSC employee? Noone claims it in their statements. Henry -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L me too... Igor Neyman, OCP DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:11 AMevidently i'm not the only one who thinks that, interesting. joeIt seems to me that IOUG has become a wholly owned subsidiary of TUSC. TUSC in turn has an incestuous relationship with Oracle. All very cozy. No real complaint about the arrangements. Someone has to step up to the plate if IOUG is going to continue to be a viable organization and in this economic climate few can afford to do it. Should IOUG be able to survive without Oracle? Probably. Will it be able to survive without Oracle? I doubt it. --- Jonathan Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&aamp;aamp;ggt; wrote:It should be possible for the IOUG to live without Oracle's support. Obviously it would be better for all concerned if there is some measure of co-operation, and there's clearly no need for bloody-minded conflict. But if the IOUG just keeps doing things that the users want, then the users should be able to support it in the complete absence of any input from Oracle. Regards Jonathan Lewis http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Coming soon one-day tutorials: Cost Based Optimisation Trouble-shooting and Tuning Indexing Strategies (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/tutorial.html ) ____UK_______March 19th ____USA_(FL)_May 2nd Next Seminar dates: (see http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/seminar.html ) ____USA_(CA, TX)_August The Co-operative Oracle Users' FAQ http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/faq/ind_faq.html MacGregor, Ian A. wrote:The IOUG cannot live without Oracle's support, butOracle can survive without the IOUG.-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jonathan Lewis INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services---------------------------------------------------------------------To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).===== Pete Barnett Lead Database Administrator The Regence Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Peter Barnett INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).Joseph S Testa Chief Technology Officer Data Management Consulting p: 614-791-9000 f: 614-791-9001 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Joseph S Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Igor Neyman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
