I concur about the software prices on big machines. We work with IBM mainframes and the last upgrade cost us a lot in SOFTWARE licenses, since we moved into a higher performance group.
Yechiel Adar Mehish ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 7:49 PM > > Well, I'm going to get involved here saying upfront that my company is a > competitor of Etagon's, so I'm certainly biased, both about us vs. Etagon > and RAC in general. > > However, the financial savings of RAC can be significant - we do cost > analyses all the time of RAC for potential customers, and its often as > simple as: > > 2 mid-size sun servers (we'll say 16 processors) - $300,000 each = $600,000 > a cluster of 5 4-way servers = $100,000 > Cost of RAC per processor (list, even!) - $20,000 x 20 = $400,000 > > So, not taking into account the cost of clustering software for the two big > sun boxes, the cost of downtime due to hardware failure, sun platinum > support, discounted RAC licenses, forklift upgrades, and more expensive > backup and other software licenses for larger servers - basically the > simplest analysis you can do, RAC is still $100k cheaper. > > If we do add in those other factors, RAC becomes even more cost-effective. > Where some of those cost savings get eaten up, though is in additional > complexity and administration cost - which is where companies like mine and > Etagon find a market. RAC is hard, there's no question. > > The financial savings in RAC generally don't come from the license costs (I > can show how you can save on license costs, but we're straying into an > advertisement for our product at that point), they come from improved > availability and reduced hardware costs. Big SMP servers are exponentially > more expensive than small ones, and the software that runs on them is > correspondingly exponentially expensive. > > Thanks, > Matt > > -- > Matthew Zito > GridApp Systems > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cell: 646-220-3551 > Phone: 212-358-8211 x 359 > http://www.gridapp.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Mogens N�rgaard > > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 3:29 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: Re: ETAGON... > > > > > > Etagon invited me to come and visit them at their stand at the UKOUG > > conference in Birmingham next week. Don't know if I'll have > > time or not, > > but in general I'm still looking for hard evidence of > > financial savings > > using RAC, ie a real comparison where switching to RAC (on whatever > > platform) meant lower license costs in total. I've only seen > > calculations where the price of RAC was omitted or hugely discounted. > > I'm even willing to ignore the increase in complexity that > > follows from > > clustering and RAC'ing... One thing, though, that I will not > > accept, is > > this notion of TCO. It seems that anybody can use that thing to prove > > any point, so it becomes hard to compare :). > > > > If RAC is cheaper for you than non-RAC it must be because you > > save the > > $20K per CPU somewhere else. Or? > > > > Mogens > > > > Gunnar Berglund wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I would like to hear, if you have any experience concering Etagon... > > > > > > Short review: > > > > > > Etagon is an Israeli company and their product is Data Center > > > Automation SW focussing initially on Oracle 9i RAC clustering SW. > > > Etagon claims that their SW can produce fundamental savings > > in 9i RAC > > > installation and lifecycle management. > > > > > > Please see their web site; www.etagon.com <http://www.etagon.com> > > > > > > I'd be interested to hear if you know Etagon already and in any case > > > what is your take on their value proposition. Is 9i RAC > > installation & > > > maintenance a real pain point to you? And could Etagon SW possibly > > > ease that pain? > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- > > > Download Yahoo! 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