So what you're saying below is this:
Before: 2 16-cpu Sun's: $600K for HW and OS plus 32 x $40K for Oracle, ie a total of $1.680K? Is that correct?
After: 5 4-cpu Intel boxes: $100K for HW and OS plus 20 x $60K for Oracle, ie a total of 1.300K?
What confuses me, I think, is the difference in number of CPU's mentioned when only the additonal RAC price tag of $20K was mentioned.
Is it possible to move from 32 Sparc CPU's to 20 Intel CPU's?
Mogens
Yechiel Adar wrote:
I concur about the software prices on big machines. We work with IBM mainframes and the last upgrade cost us a lot in SOFTWARE licenses, since we moved into a higher performance group.
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$600,000Well, I'm going to get involved here saying upfront that my company is a competitor of Etagon's, so I'm certainly biased, both about us vs. Etagon and RAC in general.
However, the financial savings of RAC can be significant - we do cost analyses all the time of RAC for potential customers, and its often as simple as:
2 mid-size sun servers (we'll say 16 processors) - $300,000 each =
biga cluster of 5 4-way servers = $100,000 Cost of RAC per processor (list, even!) - $20,000 x 20 = $400,000
So, not taking into account the cost of clustering software for the two
andsun boxes, the cost of downtime due to hardware failure, sun platinum support, discounted RAC licenses, forklift upgrades, and more expensive backup and other software licenses for larger servers - basically the simplest analysis you can do, RAC is still $100k cheaper.
If we do add in those other factors, RAC becomes even more cost-effective.
Where some of those cost savings get eaten up, though is in additional
complexity and administration cost - which is where companies like mine
Etagon find a market. RAC is hard, there's no question.(I
The financial savings in RAC generally don't come from the license costs
can show how you can save on license costs, but we're straying into anexponentially
advertisement for our product at that point), they come from improved
availability and reduced hardware costs. Big SMP servers are
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Thanks, Matt
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Etagon invited me to come and visit them at their stand at the UKOUG conference in Birmingham next week. Don't know if I'll have time or not, but in general I'm still looking for hard evidence of financial savings using RAC, ie a real comparison where switching to RAC (on whatever platform) meant lower license costs in total. I've only seen calculations where the price of RAC was omitted or hugely discounted. I'm even willing to ignore the increase in complexity that follows from clustering and RAC'ing... One thing, though, that I will not accept, is this notion of TCO. It seems that anybody can use that thing to prove any point, so it becomes hard to compare :).
If RAC is cheaper for you than non-RAC it must be because you save the $20K per CPU somewhere else. Or?
Mogens
Gunnar Berglund wrote:
Hi all,in 9i RAC
I would like to hear, if you have any experience concering Etagon...
Short review:
Etagon is an Israeli company and their product is Data Center
Automation SW focussing initially on Oracle 9i RAC clustering SW.
Etagon claims that their SW can produce fundamental savings
installation and lifecycle management.installation &
Please see their web site; www.etagon.com <http://www.etagon.com>
I'd be interested to hear if you know Etagon already and in any case
what is your take on their value proposition. Is 9i RAC
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