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From: "Burr Sutter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: Developers


> Thank You Juan, Ray and Randy
>
> I guess the initial question was a little vague but I like to hear
people's
> opinions. After the download and simple install I was able to add a Sybase
> ASA database as a DataSource, connect to it via JSP and add a simple
custom
> taglib to the default-web-app which proves to me that this thing at least
> works. My next tests include setting up my own web-app and playing around
> with EJB and JMS if I get the time.  Overall it seems to be a good
product.

    While the EJB implementation is quite nice the JMS implementation is
lacking to say the least.  Look in the archive for messages from me in this
regard.

> I like how it picked up on the change I made to make the news.ear demo
code
> function automatically.
>
> As I assume you know Allaire/JRun was purchased by Macromedia. Perhaps the
> marriage with Dreamweaver/UltraDev will payoff.  I've never looked hard at
> JRun since most of my customers typically will pay the big bucks for a
> "brand-name" product like WebSphere, WebLogic or SilverStream but some
want
> to keep the cost of licenses very low at times.
> I'm not sure about Resin at this time. It seems to ship with source code
> which is cool but it seems to be C code, not Java.

    The C code is the connector for Apache, etc.  Resin's a Java product and
the Java source is part of the distribution.

> I also teach Java and J2EE classes and we've been looking for an engine
for
> student machines that is fairly easy to install and configure. Tomcat
works
> for JSP but lacks the EJB, JNDI and JMS support needed.

    JNDI should be fine as well.  JMS, well...

> SilverStream 3.7 has been certified for J2EE and it seems to be very
solid.
> I spent several days with about 20 other people putting it through some
> exercises.
> Weblogic is great but has to be restarted a lot to make some code changes
> (5.1).

    This has lessened greatly with v6.0 but of course it's in BETA and only
for Win32 and Solaris.

> WebSphere doesn't seem to fully understand the proper directory structure
of
> a web-app and the use of WARs completely and it is VERY slow on my NT box
to
> startup and build/deploy simple JSPs.

    WebSphere's a glorified servlet engine.  For really exercising J2EE I'd
stay away.

> Any need to restart Orion after a change to:
> JSP
> EJB
> JMS queue or topic
> Bean for a JSP
> Taglib classes, .tld, .xml
> .war, .ear, .jar?

    I don't really remember but the startup time for Orion is so small it's
not that big a deal (at least for instruction).  Startup time's nothing like
WebLogic that's for sure.

> Thanks,
> Burr
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Jason Rimmer
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