"Weblogic (and the high priced products like Websphere) are great..."
Speaking as someone who has done development using Websphere (3.0 & 3.02):
It sucks! Don't use it for anything but JSP or servlets. It has so many
flaws that I don't even want to get in to them!!
/korre
-----Original Message-----
From: Kemp Randy-W18971
To: Orion-Interest
Sent: 2001-02-12 13:58
Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
Weblogic (and the high priced products like Websphere) are great, if you
want to pay the price. They come with nice tools like front end gui's,
good documentation, paid support, etc. But if you look for the opinions
of developers who have used these products, and compared them to Orion,
jboss, etc., they would say the EJB capacies are no better then the
other high priced products. In order of ranking, here's how I look at
the other products.
1 Orion -- This product is ready now, but I haven't seen anyone from
this list run a Sears store on it.
2. Jboss (www.jboss.org) -- The founders are very bright, have five
hundred developers on the projects, have EJB heavies contributing to the
list, and it's a very easy to use product. Personally, even though it
is ready for production now, I would wait for it to mature a bit more.
It's like a fine wine -- drink it now, and it is OK, or allow it to age
a bit then drink it (like jboss 3.0 final).
3. Openejb (www.openejb.org) - this project has a very bright and well
known person heading it, and it is slated to be intergrated with Tomcat
and Apache. It has yet to prove itself, as it is not yet ready for
production release. But it has good future promise.
4. Jonas (www.evidian.com/jonas) - This is a good product, but it is not
as advanced as the other two open source products and I don't think they
have as many people behind them.
5. Enhydra enterprise (www.enhydra.org). If you like the enhydra
application server, this product has potential. But it is not
production ready yet and it intergrates with the jonas server.
In summary, Orion is here now but can it run Sears? Jboss is ready
but I would let it mature a bit more for production environments.
Openejb and Enhydra have great potential, but they are not ready yet and
have to prove themselves. Jonas is OK but I prefer the other open
source alternatives.
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony W. Marino
To: Orion-Interest
Sent: 2/11/01 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: Any news from Orion yet??
On another note, can you and/or someone, qualify/quantify what you mean
by
the following previously made statement :
"For the most part, Orion is still very much ahead of the pack, and the
speed is stil EXCELLENT."
?
In the Apache Tomcat list I asked the following question:
"Can someone suggest to me what Apache and/or other OpenSource products
could
be integrated to compete with functionally and/or considered in the same
category as BEA WebLogic?
I don't necessarily need all of what BEA has to offer at this time,
however,
I would like to know, generally, what it would take to get there without
the
big $$$$$ price tag."
Thank You,
Anthony
On Monday 15 January 2001 15:20, you wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Jason Boehle wrote:
> > WL6 has support for EARs. They also support all of the EJB 2.0 spec
> > except for dependent objects. In fact, I am currently using WL6 for
> > development instead of Orion, due to the apparent lack of
development
> > going on in the Orion team on EJB 2.0. I had suggested to my boss
that
> > we use Orion, as I had been lurking and following it for several
months,
> > and saw that it always met the latest specs first, etc. - now I feel
dumb
> > for doing so, as they haven't had a new release in several months...
>
> Of course, this is a little unfair - weblogic hadn't had a new release
for
> several months, either. They've just had a major release recently,
which
> makes it seem like they're more active than Orion, when that's not
> necessarily the case. It might be, but that's not implied by the
situation
> at present.
>
> For the most part, Orion is still very much ahead of the pack, and the
> speed is stil EXCELLENT. While I'm very much looking forward to a new
> round of released bug fixes, I'm still waiting for some things to
shake
> out before I abandon ship.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Santosh Kumar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:57 AM
> > To: Orion-Interest
> > Subject: Re: Any news from Orion yet??
> >
> >
> > Hi kevin,
> > As far as i have known WL5.1 or <, there is no concept of
ear
> > files, does 6.0 include
> > that. Doesn't the J2EE mandate (I am not sure!) the use of EAR =
WAR +
> > JAR + CAR(or JAR)?
> > To deploy the JPS1.1.1 on Orion, it is a piece of cake, while
deploying
> > on WLS, i have to
> > unpack the EAR files and dis-integrate them which is contrary to the
> > essence of packaging the ear files,
> > Even meddling with the ugly weblogic.properties frustrates one and
all.
> > Is that true with all WLS users?
> >
> > Orion is a neat impl of J2EE, is WLS6.0?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Santosh.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Kevin Duffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Orion-Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:07 PM
> > Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
> >
> > > I am not one to advocate another product, but WL6 looks nice. It
is
> > > easy
> >
> > to
> >
> > > work with compared to WL5.1. Orion is still the best. JBoss looks
very
> > > interesting as well.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Neville
> > > > Burnell
> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 2:26 PM
> > > > To: Orion-Interest
> > > > Cc: Orion-Interest
> > > > Subject: FW: Any news from Orion yet??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes - pls Orion people, publish some news & update Orion ...
> > > >
> > > > We are looking to buy at least 3 licences over the next few
weeks if
> > > > everything is ok
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Neville Burnell
> > > > Business Manager Software
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Duffey, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, 14 January 2001 12:45 PM
> > > > To: Orion-Interest
> > > > Subject: Any news from Orion yet??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone heard from the team lately? I know I saw a post about
a
> > > > month or
> > > > so ago. Its been about 3 or 4 months since anything has changed
on
> > > > their site, if not longer and now its getting me worried. I can
> > > > understand them
> > > > trying to organize the company, but did production stop on the
app
> > > > server? I
> > > > wish there was some news once every couple of weeks or so from
them
> > > > on their
> > > > site letting us know what is happening.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
