I just played a little bit with WebSphere and I have to agree with
Konstantin: it does not work very well.
I was expecting a better tool from IBM and I am really dissapointed.
Danut
At 01:56 PM 2/13/2001 +0100, Konstantin Polyzois wrote:
>"Weblogic (and the high priced products like Websphere) are great..."
>
>Speaking as someone who has done development using Websphere (3.0 & 3.02):
>It sucks! Don't use it for anything but JSP or servlets. It has so many
>flaws that I don't even want to get in to them!!
>
>/korre
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kemp Randy-W18971
>To: Orion-Interest
>Sent: 2001-02-12 13:58
>Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
>
>
>Weblogic (and the high priced products like Websphere) are great, if you
>want to pay the price. They come with nice tools like front end gui's,
>good documentation, paid support, etc. But if you look for the opinions
>of developers who have used these products, and compared them to Orion,
>jboss, etc., they would say the EJB capacies are no better then the
>other high priced products. In order of ranking, here's how I look at
>the other products.
>1 Orion -- This product is ready now, but I haven't seen anyone from
>this list run a Sears store on it.
>2. Jboss (www.jboss.org) -- The founders are very bright, have five
>hundred developers on the projects, have EJB heavies contributing to the
>list, and it's a very easy to use product. Personally, even though it
>is ready for production now, I would wait for it to mature a bit more.
>It's like a fine wine -- drink it now, and it is OK, or allow it to age
>a bit then drink it (like jboss 3.0 final).
>3. Openejb (www.openejb.org) - this project has a very bright and well
>known person heading it, and it is slated to be intergrated with Tomcat
>and Apache. It has yet to prove itself, as it is not yet ready for
>production release. But it has good future promise.
>4. Jonas (www.evidian.com/jonas) - This is a good product, but it is not
>as advanced as the other two open source products and I don't think they
>have as many people behind them.
>5. Enhydra enterprise (www.enhydra.org). If you like the enhydra
>application server, this product has potential. But it is not
>production ready yet and it intergrates with the jonas server.
> In summary, Orion is here now but can it run Sears? Jboss is ready
>but I would let it mature a bit more for production environments.
>Openejb and Enhydra have great potential, but they are not ready yet and
>have to prove themselves. Jonas is OK but I prefer the other open
>source alternatives.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Anthony W. Marino
>To: Orion-Interest
>Sent: 2/11/01 9:06 AM
>Subject: Re: Any news from Orion yet??
>
>On another note, can you and/or someone, qualify/quantify what you mean
>by
>the following previously made statement :
>
>"For the most part, Orion is still very much ahead of the pack, and the
>speed is stil EXCELLENT."
>?
>
>In the Apache Tomcat list I asked the following question:
>
>"Can someone suggest to me what Apache and/or other OpenSource products
>could
>be integrated to compete with functionally and/or considered in the same
>
>category as BEA WebLogic?
>I don't necessarily need all of what BEA has to offer at this time,
>however,
>I would like to know, generally, what it would take to get there without
>the
>big $$$$$ price tag."
>
>Thank You,
>Anthony
>
>On Monday 15 January 2001 15:20, you wrote:
> > On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Jason Boehle wrote:
> > > WL6 has support for EARs. They also support all of the EJB 2.0 spec
> > > except for dependent objects. In fact, I am currently using WL6 for
> > > development instead of Orion, due to the apparent lack of
>development
> > > going on in the Orion team on EJB 2.0. I had suggested to my boss
>that
> > > we use Orion, as I had been lurking and following it for several
>months,
> > > and saw that it always met the latest specs first, etc. - now I feel
>dumb
> > > for doing so, as they haven't had a new release in several months...
> >
> > Of course, this is a little unfair - weblogic hadn't had a new release
>for
> > several months, either. They've just had a major release recently,
>which
> > makes it seem like they're more active than Orion, when that's not
> > necessarily the case. It might be, but that's not implied by the
>situation
> > at present.
> >
> > For the most part, Orion is still very much ahead of the pack, and the
> > speed is stil EXCELLENT. While I'm very much looking forward to a new
> > round of released bug fixes, I'm still waiting for some things to
>shake
> > out before I abandon ship.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Santosh Kumar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:57 AM
> > > To: Orion-Interest
> > > Subject: Re: Any news from Orion yet??
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi kevin,
> > > As far as i have known WL5.1 or <, there is no concept of
>ear
> > > files, does 6.0 include
> > > that. Doesn't the J2EE mandate (I am not sure!) the use of EAR =
>WAR +
> > > JAR + CAR(or JAR)?
> > > To deploy the JPS1.1.1 on Orion, it is a piece of cake, while
>deploying
> > > on WLS, i have to
> > > unpack the EAR files and dis-integrate them which is contrary to the
> > > essence of packaging the ear files,
> > > Even meddling with the ugly weblogic.properties frustrates one and
>all.
> > > Is that true with all WLS users?
> > >
> > > Orion is a neat impl of J2EE, is WLS6.0?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Santosh.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Kevin Duffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: Orion-Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:07 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
> > >
> > > > I am not one to advocate another product, but WL6 looks nice. It
>is
> > > > easy
> > >
> > > to
> > >
> > > > work with compared to WL5.1. Orion is still the best. JBoss looks
>very
> > > > interesting as well.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>Neville
> > > > > Burnell
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 2:26 PM
> > > > > To: Orion-Interest
> > > > > Cc: Orion-Interest
> > > > > Subject: FW: Any news from Orion yet??
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes - pls Orion people, publish some news & update Orion ...
> > > > >
> > > > > We are looking to buy at least 3 licences over the next few
>weeks if
> > > > > everything is ok
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > >
> > > > > Neville Burnell
> > > > > Business Manager Software
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Duffey, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, 14 January 2001 12:45 PM
> > > > > To: Orion-Interest
> > > > > Subject: Any news from Orion yet??
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Has anyone heard from the team lately? I know I saw a post about
>a
> > > > > month or
> > > > > so ago. Its been about 3 or 4 months since anything has changed
>on
> > > > > their site, if not longer and now its getting me worried. I can
> > > > > understand them
> > > > > trying to organize the company, but did production stop on the
>app
> > > > > server? I
> > > > > wish there was some news once every couple of weeks or so from
>them
> > > > > on their
> > > > > site letting us know what is happening.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
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