Here's an alternative on the servlet/JSP front (just starting and in beta,
though...with some unique support problems of their own).
http://www.rexip.com/pipeline/en/-/-/com.tcc.site.pipeline.news.PublicNews-V
iew?catID=1&oid=5
Michael J. Cannon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Duffey, Kevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 1:23 PM
Subject: RE: Why can't orion respond to their customers?
> While I agree they probably focus on the product, they also have an
> obligation to support those actually paying to use their product. What I
> would suggest is they set up a way to hand out license info such as an ID
or
> something, and set up an email form that includes the license ID, etc.
Then,
> respond specifically to those that buy licenses for Orion. This would at
> least eliminate their need to try to read and reply to all emails, but
> instead only focus on emails from those that have actual licensed IDs.
Using
> a database, they can even weed out those emails that someone tries sending
> with a fake id, or invalid id, name and password (after all..you know
people
> would try to get a response from them by doing this). Support for free use
> of the product I have no problem seeing none of. Support of those that are
> paying money and using a product in production, that is a different story.
> The deal with Oracle may have made the team some money, but there are
still
> users paying money to use it as well and they deserve support too.
>
> I love Orion...its a fantastic product at a rock bottom price with almost
> all the features I'd want (although I have to say I am really looking
> forward to complete EJB 2.0, Servlet 2.3 and JSP 1.2 support). But I have
to
> admit JBoss with its much larger support and more features and nicer
looking
> architecture is looking more promising as an EJB server. Orion is still
tops
> on the servlet/jsp setup, load balancing and performance.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Aaron Tavistock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:02 AM
> > To: Orion-Interest
> > Subject: RE: Why can't orion respond to their customers?
> >
> >
> > Ironflare consists of less than 5 people. I think its not
> > from them not
> > wanting to respond or ignoring you, but from being very busy.
> > Think about
> > how less than 5 people can create an awesome app server like
> > this, what must
> > their daily schedules look like?
> >
> > I also think they want to stay small and work on their
> > product instead of
> > growing a massive company with a giant support center. They
> > charge such a
> > small amount for such an awsome product probably exactly because they
> > realize they cannot provide you with very good support.
> >
> > Of course you could always buy Oracle 9iAS (which is really Orion) and
> > you'll probably get awesome support, but you'll be paying
> > $40000 instead of
> > $1500 for more or less the same product. You decide.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Troy Heninger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:02 AM
> > To: Orion-Interest
> > Subject: RE: Why can't orion respond to their customers?
> >
> >
> > I second this! I have tried to report a bug both in bugzilla
> > and email
> > directly to Orion. I have heard absolutely nothing. What's
> > going on? If
> > you find some way to get any response from the company to bug
> > reports please
> > let me know too.
> >
> > Troy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:23 AM
> > To: Orion-Interest
> > Subject: Why can't orion respond to their customers? (was RE:
> > FW: Logging in
> > to server twice does not work.)
> >
> > My God, this is frustrating.
> >
> > I have tried reporting the bug in bugzilla.
> > I have tried mailing to the list.
> > I have tried mailing Orion directly.
> >
> > All I have received from Orion is complete and utter silence.
> > I have not
> > even gotten a reply saying that the matter is being looked
> > at, or even that
> > my mail has been received. If I had gotten any respnse at all
> > I would not
> > have said this publicly, but since you refuse to acknowledge
> > my mails, I
> > have to ask:
> >
> > Why do you not take your paying customers seriously? Your support is
> > extremely bad. We have production systems running on your
> > server, and we
> > need to know when the bugs will be fixed.
> >
> > yours
> > Christian.
> >
> > Does anyone have any email address the Orion guys will respond to?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Weissman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 8. august 2001 15:34
> > To: Orion-Interest
> > Subject: Re: FW: Logging in to server twice does not work.
> >
> >
> > Christian,
> >
> > We never found a way around this, we run from an applet. we were able
> > to use the RMIContextfactory and have repeated login
> > attempts. We have
> > also abandoned rmi lookups due to performance and are going towards a
> > messaging paradigm for communication.
> > mike
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > In think the message was lost again, trying one more time.
> > Sorry for the
> > > repost...
> > >
> > > > Does anyone know how to login again when the first attempt fails?
> > > >
> > > > Logging in twice seems to be impossible. How to reproduce:
> > > >
> > > > import javax.naming.*;
> > > > import java.util.*;
> > > >
> > > > /**
> > > > * InitialContext reconnection test.
> > > > * @author Christian Tellefsen
> > > > */
> > > >
> > > > // Make sure you:
> > > > // a) Have a META-INF/application-client.xml in the right place.
> > > > // b) Replace the server name below.
> > > >
> > > > public class ContextTest {
> > > > static void connect() {
> > > > Hashtable env = new Hashtable();
> > > > env.put(
> > > > "java.naming.factory.initial",
> > > >
> > "com.evermind.server.ApplicationClientInitialContextFactory");
> > > > env.put(
> > > > "java.naming.provider.url",
> > > > "ormi://localhost/appit"); // replace with your server
> > > > try{
> > > > // This will show the login box the first time,
> > > > // but not the second time.
> > > > new InitialContext(env);
> > > > }
> > > > catch(Exception e) {e.printStackTrace();}
> > > > }
> > > >
> > > > public static void main(String[] s) {
> > > > connect();
> > > > System.out.println("Once more unto the breach...");
> > > > connect();
> > > > }
> > > > }
> > > >
> > > > Obviously I would like the login box to appear again. I
> > cannot find any
> > > > way to tell the server to replace the old principal and
> > credential. I
> > feel
> > > > weird telling my users that sorry, if you enter the wrong
> > password you
> > > > have to restart the program. Obviously this is a showstopper.
> > > >
> > > > I see that other people have asked the same question, but
> > no answers. I
> > am
> > > > also reporting this as a bug (#577) in bugzilla.
> > > >
> > > > Any help or workarounds would be greatly appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > yours
> > > > Christian Tellefsen
> > > >
> >
> > --
> > ##############################################################
> > Michael Weissman e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > 1221 W. Mineral Ave. Littleton, Co 80120
> > In the land of the dark, the ship of the sun is
> > drawn by the grateful dead -- Egyptian Book of the Dead
> > ##############################################################
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
