Interesting..but no info on pricing at all. Plus, it doesn't seem to have a
built in web server, so you have to plug it into a web server. This isn't
bad, but our entire site is JSP based..so I would want an integrated web
server.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael J. Cannon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 1:19 PM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: Re: Why can't orion respond to their customers?
>
>
> Here's an alternative on the servlet/JSP front (just starting
> and in beta,
> though...with some unique support problems of their own).
>
> http://www.rexip.com/pipeline/en/-/-/com.tcc.site.pipeline.new
> s.PublicNews-V
> iew?catID=1&oid=5
>
> Michael J. Cannon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duffey, Kevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 1:23 PM
> Subject: RE: Why can't orion respond to their customers?
>
>
> > While I agree they probably focus on the product, they also have an
> > obligation to support those actually paying to use their
> product. What I
> > would suggest is they set up a way to hand out license info
> such as an ID
> or
> > something, and set up an email form that includes the
> license ID, etc.
> Then,
> > respond specifically to those that buy licenses for Orion.
> This would at
> > least eliminate their need to try to read and reply to all
> emails, but
> > instead only focus on emails from those that have actual
> licensed IDs.
> Using
> > a database, they can even weed out those emails that
> someone tries sending
> > with a fake id, or invalid id, name and password (after
> all..you know
> people
> > would try to get a response from them by doing this).
> Support for free use
> > of the product I have no problem seeing none of. Support of
> those that are
> > paying money and using a product in production, that is a
> different story.
> > The deal with Oracle may have made the team some money, but
> there are
> still
> > users paying money to use it as well and they deserve support too.
> >
> > I love Orion...its a fantastic product at a rock bottom
> price with almost
> > all the features I'd want (although I have to say I am
> really looking
> > forward to complete EJB 2.0, Servlet 2.3 and JSP 1.2
> support). But I have
> to
> > admit JBoss with its much larger support and more features and nicer
> looking
> > architecture is looking more promising as an EJB server.
> Orion is still
> tops
> > on the servlet/jsp setup, load balancing and performance.
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Aaron Tavistock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:02 AM
> > > To: Orion-Interest
> > > Subject: RE: Why can't orion respond to their customers?
> > >
> > >
> > > Ironflare consists of less than 5 people. I think its not
> > > from them not
> > > wanting to respond or ignoring you, but from being very busy.
> > > Think about
> > > how less than 5 people can create an awesome app server like
> > > this, what must
> > > their daily schedules look like?
> > >
> > > I also think they want to stay small and work on their
> > > product instead of
> > > growing a massive company with a giant support center. They
> > > charge such a
> > > small amount for such an awsome product probably exactly
> because they
> > > realize they cannot provide you with very good support.
> > >
> > > Of course you could always buy Oracle 9iAS (which is
> really Orion) and
> > > you'll probably get awesome support, but you'll be paying
> > > $40000 instead of
> > > $1500 for more or less the same product. You decide.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Troy Heninger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:02 AM
> > > To: Orion-Interest
> > > Subject: RE: Why can't orion respond to their customers?
> > >
> > >
> > > I second this! I have tried to report a bug both in bugzilla
> > > and email
> > > directly to Orion. I have heard absolutely nothing. What's
> > > going on? If
> > > you find some way to get any response from the company to bug
> > > reports please
> > > let me know too.
> > >
> > > Troy
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:23 AM
> > > To: Orion-Interest
> > > Subject: Why can't orion respond to their customers? (was RE:
> > > FW: Logging in
> > > to server twice does not work.)
> > >
> > > My God, this is frustrating.
> > >
> > > I have tried reporting the bug in bugzilla.
> > > I have tried mailing to the list.
> > > I have tried mailing Orion directly.
> > >
> > > All I have received from Orion is complete and utter silence.
> > > I have not
> > > even gotten a reply saying that the matter is being looked
> > > at, or even that
> > > my mail has been received. If I had gotten any respnse at all
> > > I would not
> > > have said this publicly, but since you refuse to acknowledge
> > > my mails, I
> > > have to ask:
> > >
> > > Why do you not take your paying customers seriously? Your
> support is
> > > extremely bad. We have production systems running on your
> > > server, and we
> > > need to know when the bugs will be fixed.
> > >
> > > yours
> > > Christian.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any email address the Orion guys will respond to?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mike Weissman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: 8. august 2001 15:34
> > > To: Orion-Interest
> > > Subject: Re: FW: Logging in to server twice does not work.
> > >
> > >
> > > Christian,
> > >
> > > We never found a way around this, we run from an applet.
> we were able
> > > to use the RMIContextfactory and have repeated login
> > > attempts. We have
> > > also abandoned rmi lookups due to performance and are
> going towards a
> > > messaging paradigm for communication.
> > > mike
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In think the message was lost again, trying one more time.
> > > Sorry for the
> > > > repost...
> > > >
> > > > > Does anyone know how to login again when the first
> attempt fails?
> > > > >
> > > > > Logging in twice seems to be impossible. How to reproduce:
> > > > >
> > > > > import javax.naming.*;
> > > > > import java.util.*;
> > > > >
> > > > > /**
> > > > > * InitialContext reconnection test.
> > > > > * @author Christian Tellefsen
> > > > > */
> > > > >
> > > > > // Make sure you:
> > > > > // a) Have a META-INF/application-client.xml in the
> right place.
> > > > > // b) Replace the server name below.
> > > > >
> > > > > public class ContextTest {
> > > > > static void connect() {
> > > > > Hashtable env = new Hashtable();
> > > > > env.put(
> > > > > "java.naming.factory.initial",
> > > > >
> > > "com.evermind.server.ApplicationClientInitialContextFactory");
> > > > > env.put(
> > > > > "java.naming.provider.url",
> > > > > "ormi://localhost/appit"); // replace
> with your server
> > > > > try{
> > > > > // This will show the login box the first time,
> > > > > // but not the second time.
> > > > > new InitialContext(env);
> > > > > }
> > > > > catch(Exception e) {e.printStackTrace();}
> > > > > }
> > > > >
> > > > > public static void main(String[] s) {
> > > > > connect();
> > > > > System.out.println("Once more unto the breach...");
> > > > > connect();
> > > > > }
> > > > > }
> > > > >
> > > > > Obviously I would like the login box to appear again. I
> > > cannot find any
> > > > > way to tell the server to replace the old principal and
> > > credential. I
> > > feel
> > > > > weird telling my users that sorry, if you enter the wrong
> > > password you
> > > > > have to restart the program. Obviously this is a showstopper.
> > > > >
> > > > > I see that other people have asked the same question, but
> > > no answers. I
> > > am
> > > > > also reporting this as a bug (#577) in bugzilla.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any help or workarounds would be greatly appreciated.
> > > > >
> > > > > yours
> > > > > Christian Tellefsen
> > > > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > > In the land of the dark, the ship of the sun is
> > > drawn by the grateful dead -- Egyptian Book of the Dead
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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