Subject: Re: Java IDE? From: Vic Cekvenich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> === CodeGuide v4 of Omnicore.com does the same thing and is cheaper and I think nicer.
(I used Netbeans as well) VIc Robert S. Sfeir wrote: > (Sorry my last message got sent before I could finish it) > > Ok there was a lot of talk about this IDE so I decided to go poke around and > look at it. I had been using Netbeans (Forte too) for a while, but always > found it to have either way too many things you can do with it, and > therefore you have to spend a lot of time learning the IDE, or it's just > clunky and things are not where they're supposed to be. So I downloaded the > IDEA IDE, and low and behold, as advertised on this list, my productivity > has jumped 10 fold. It is SO easy to use, it's a bit weird at first glance, > and I actually removed it the first time then decided to try again, and wow, > if you take just a couple of hours, you're totally familliar with its > features and capabilities... and thank go for no weird wizards... templates > are good... wizards are for 2 year olds. > > Here is why I liked it, and would GLADLY pay $395.00 for it. > > It allows you to setup multiple CVS repositories, working with Ant is > amazing, when you run the ant script it allows you to expand every step and > look at it and get more information about it. I am able to run the full > build of my app within the IDE and I didn't have to do anything > funky, or mess with classpaths it just ran. I am SO productive in this IDE > I can't believe it. > > Further, it allows you to set ALL aspects of code style including spaces > between parenthesis or brackets, line after curly bracket or not, and you > can choose if you want it before an else, if else, etc... so fine tuned. > This is important because sometimes developers can get sloppy. One mouse > click and wham, the thing is clean and in place. > > besides that, you can actually write a bunch of code and then select it, and > tell it to wrap it in an try/catch, or add a case and stuff like that. Same > goes for getter and setter, you just select the vars you want to write get > and set methods for, and in a few seconds I had more than 40 gets and sets > already setup. This is a much better way to do it than any other ide. > > The nice thing is that there are a bunch of tabs on the side which don't > intrude in your coding area unless you absolutely want to see them, and you > can choose the behavior of the tabed window so it can close back up as soon > as you're done, or pin it down so it's always there. What ever works for > you. > > It also includes Refactoring, and will look through your code and allow you > to optimize your imports automatically. Very nice stuff, but I didn't push > that yet because I didn't have a need for it yet. > > I also like that it has syntax completion, but they took it to a higher > level, when the syntax completion pops up and you select for example > 'parseInt' it shows you the java doc for it in another popup! SO SWEET! No > need to go look at the API pages or anything like that! VERY VERY COOL > stuff. > > I am surprised that Forte won the JDJ award over this IDE... I guess because > it's not free or something. This is a much much better tool. > > Robert S. Sfeir > Senior Software Architect > Sfeir Engineering > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin Crosbie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:52 AM > Subject: RE: Java IDE? > > > >>I hate the way it doesn't support folder hierarchies. The new one even >> > less > >>than 3.2.3, which allowed one folder level per project. I don't see why >> > not, > >>it seems like such a trivial thing. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Joydeep Kamdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: 25 March 2002 16:11 >>To: Orion-Interest >>Subject: Re: Java IDE? >> >> >>Any serious users of Orion will absolutely love JDeveloper. This is as >>fantastic tool and is free to use till you decide to deploy your >>applications >>into production. Thus you can for the first time test an enterprise class >>IDE >>without the every 30 day reinstall >> >>Here's a comparison matrix of JBuilder 6 and JDeveloper 9i >>http://www.oracle.com/ip/develop/ids/index.html?Jbuilder6_table.html >> >>Check out - >>http://www.sdmagazine.com/documents/s=7032/sdm0204d/0204d.htm >> >>The chat about the price totall cracked me up. Noha - keep up the good >> > work! > >> >>Marc Rabil wrote: >> >> >>>I have been following this discussion with much interest since I >>> > recently > >>>set out to re-evaluate Java IDEs - particularly for J2EE. Based on the >>>recent JDJ poll located here: >>> >>>http://www.sys-con.com/java/readerschoice2002/liveupdate.cfm?cat=J2EE >>> >>>it would seem that a lot of folks like JBuilder. But this may just be a >>>marketshare estimate and it looks like a lot of folks on this list like >>>IDEA. >>> >>>We've been using JBuilder 4 Enterprise with mixed feelings and are >>> > looking > >>>at upgrading to JBuilder 6. Can any of the IDEA proponents out there >>>summarize the major advantages of IDEA over JBuilder 6 (say professional >>>edition since the upgrade is a comparable price)? >>> >>>Thanks in advance, >>> >>>Marc >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Clay Mitchell >>>Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 11:37 PM >>>To: Orion-Interest >>>Subject: RE: Java IDE? >>> >>>Hmm I'm loving idea, but it costs $ - I wonder what happens when the >>>trial expires... Nag or just doesn't work? >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gottfried >>>Szing >>>Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:55 PM >>>To: Orion-Interest >>>Subject: Re: Java IDE? >>> >>>On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Clay Mitchell wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Just a question, any suggestions as to what a good IDE is? I've tried >>>>JBuilder, IDEA (I like IDEA) and a few others... any recommendations? >>>> >>>i like idea. since i have seen idea i was a loyal user of vim and ant. >>>now i use idea in combination with ant, junits, and orion. >>> > >
