No route to host could be many problems. Here are a few thoughts, in no particular order.
-TFTP service on the head node could be down for some reason. The usual reason is not clicking on "setup network boot" on the mac collection window, but there could be strange problems. -Try turning off the "pfilter" service and trying again since you are using 4.x at the moment. Pfilter is not on by default in 5.x. -the system firewall could be turned on (both firewall and SE Linux should be turned off) -The switch could have firewall rules set up on it. -The BIOS on head node or client nodes could have bugs in them (try updating from the manifacturers web site) this could cause all sorts of PXE problems. -The network cards on the head node could have a buggy driver (check manifacturer for updated drivers). -I recently had a problem where with multiple network cards, the numbering of the ports (eth0, eth1) was different than the expected physical location as you would expect from the port labeling (Gig1, Gig2) in my case. You might try swapping cables around and trying things again. They can switch after imaging, but since you have some connectivity I am guessing this is not the problem -You could have bad wiring. -Incorrect network setup on the head node. -If you have a managed switch (most good ones are) then it could be doing strange things. The folks at dell turned off an option called "spanning tree" on mine as it apparently does peculiar things to Rocks installs (and therefore probably OSCAR as well, since they work in a very similar way from a certain point of view). You might do a Google search for the switch and see if it has known issues with either Rocks or ... anything really. On 3/20/07, Pravab J. Rana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for the last reply, > I got the Mac addresses manually and have loaded them to appropriate nodes. > I do think the BIOS for my clients support PXE but I also created the > network boot cd. > The problem is I can ping all the nodes but whenever I am trying to > network boot it, TFTP times out. > I get the message'PXE-E32:TFPT open timeout' > Now when I try to use to network boot cd, I get an installation failed > message with > 'nc:connect: No route to host' > Reading the output on the window, I can see that the client can ping the > server sucessfully and also gives a message saying > 'We have connectivity to SystemImager server' but then their is the error > with saying 'nc:connect: no route to host'. > I have rechecked my /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny file and I did > click the setup network boot button. > Any suggestions what I might me missing? > > > > On 3/16/07, Michael Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > That can depend a bit on your hardware, but generally it is an option > > in the BIOS under something like "boot order". Sometimes the network > > card names are not very obvious. > > > > If you are having trouble getting the MAC addresses via a network boot > > you can just put them in a text file (one per line) and load that file > > into OSCAR by hand (there is a button on the Network setup window, > > something like "Load MAC from file"). The MAC address is often > > written on a sticker on the network card itself and often you can find > > it in the BIOS. > > > > If the cards are very old, they may not have the option to network > > boot and the BIOS will probably not support it. You could also try > > making a boot floppy with etherboot, especially if the cards are very > > old and don't support PXE. > > > > Sorry I can't be more helpful, how to do these things varries a great > > deal with different hardware. > > > > On 3/16/07, Pravab J. Rana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > How do I network boot the clients? I tried just rebooting the clients > nodes > > > manually and I could get 5 MAC addresses out of 8. > > > > > > > > > On 3/16/07, Michael Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Generally the easiest way to get the MAC addresses from the client > > > > nodes is to network boot them. This sends out a DHCP request which > > > > the head node can hear (if you have pressed "Collect MAC Addresses" > > > > button) and get the MAC address of that client node from. Then once > > > > the MAC addresses have been assigned to a client node and either the > > > > "Setup Network Boot" or the "Make Boot CD" button have been pressed, > > > > the nodes will image when network booted. Otherwise, if someone put > > > > their computer on the network and network booted it would try to pull > > > > it into the cluster, which might not be desirable. > > > > > > > > Hope this makes the process clearer. > > > > > > > > On 3/16/07, Pravab J. Rana < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > Thanks for the information. I have installed Oscar 5 on the head > node. > > > I > > > > > have one more problem that I am facing while collecting the MAC > address > > > of > > > > > the clients. When I move to step 6 to Setup Networking and collect > > > Client > > > > > MAC's I am only able to collect the MAC addresses of two of my > client > > > nodes. > > > > > The install manual says "press the <Collect MAC Address> button and > then > > > > > network boot the first client." Are we supposed to network boot the > > > clients > > > > > too for collecting MAC address. If yes how can I do it. I did read > the > > > > > manual about PXE and Building AutoInstall CD but I thought they were > for > > > > > getting the image from the headnode. Do I need to network boot the > > > clients > > > > > to get MAC addresses too. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks once again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/10/07, DongInn Kim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Pravab, > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you double check to see if caching-nameserver is in your > distro > > > > > > repo(e.g., /tftpboot/distro/redhat-el-ws-4-i386)? > > > > > > I think it should be there. My RHEL4-AS machine has it though. > > > > > > If you can not find in your distro repo, we can still find one on > the > > > > > > web and then download it, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/1824527/com/caching-nameserver-7.3-3.noarch.rpm.html > > > > > > (Note, you need to find a "bind" rpm compatible with your distro > as > > > well.) > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, did you check to select the "Networking" package at step 1 > > > "Select > > > > > > OSCAR Packages To Install..."? Since OSCAR does not select it by > > > > > > default, caching-nameserver rpm should not be picked up unless you > > > > > selected. > > > > > > If so, can I ask you why you needed to choose it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Just in order to help my understanding, I copy the basic info from > > > > > > caching-nameserver-7.3-3.noarch.rpm on my AS. > > > > > > "The caching-nameserver package includes the configuration files > that > > > > > > will make BIND, the DNS name server, act as a simple caching > > > > > > nameserver. Many users on dialup connections use this package > along > > > > > > with BIND for this purpose." > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to just avoid this problem and don't want to install > the > > > > > > "Networking" package, try to uncheck the "Networking" package at > step > > > 1 > > > > > > and then try step 3 again. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > - DongInn > > > > > > > > > > > > Pravab J. Rana wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > I think I did do the export OSCAR_VERBOSE=5. I have attached the > > > > > > > logfile so that you can have a look. I could install the non > core > > > > > > > packages but there was some error. > > > > > > > I was told it was related to DNS setup but I could not find a > > > suitable > > > > > > > caching-nameserver package for the version of linux I am using > RHEL > > > > > > > version 4 for 32 bit systems. > > > > > > > Also my concern for version 4.2 and 4.2.1 found on > sourceForgenet > > > was > > > > > > > that 4.2 stands at around 275MB where as 4.2.1 is only just > about > > > 29MB > > > > > > > thats why I wanted to confirm. > > > > > > > Any help with oscar5.0 installation would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/8/07, *DongInn Kim* < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I will be surprised if oscar5.0 installation does not > work > > > > > > > well with > > > > > > > WS because the packages built for AS should work fine with > WS > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, the oscarinstall.log file is from 4.2[.1] or 5.0? I > > > highly > > > > > > > recommend you to try to use oscar 5.0 unless you have any > > > particular > > > > > > > reason to use 4.2 [.1]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to do with oscar 5.0 again, please try to do > "export > > > > > > > OSCAR_VERBOSE=5" and then post the oscarinstall.log again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - DongInn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pravab J. Rana wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Its not AS its WS. Do let me know if you can help me out > with > > > it. > > > > > I > > > > > > > > got stuck where it says to setup DNS and I cannot find the > > > correct > > > > > > > > version of caching name server for it > > > > > > > > I had a question to oscar users about oscar 4.2.1. Is it > an > > > > > > > update as > > > > > > > > the file size is comparatively smaller to that of 4.2 so > when > > > > > > > > installing it do i install 4.2 first and then update?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/8/07, *DongInn Kim* < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > <mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > <mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pravab, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the output of "cat /etc/redhat-release"? > > > > > > > > If the output is something like "Red Hat Enterprise > Linux > > > AS > > > > > > > release 4 > > > > > > > > (Nahant)"( i.g., no update of RHEL4), I can help you > out > > > to > > > > > > > install > > > > > > > > oscar > > > > > > > > 5.0 on your RHEL4. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - DongInn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Edwards wrote: > > > > > > > > > If you want to try 4.x I would strongly suggest > using > > > 4.2.1, > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > posted on sourceforge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, you need to start from a fresh installation of > > > RHEL > > > > > > > 4. Just > > > > > > > > > deleting the files in /opt/oscar will not get rid of > all > > > > > > > the pieces > > > > > > > > > scattered about. Running the > > > > > > > /opt/oscar/scripts/start_over script > > > > > > > > > might have cleaned things up, but since you deleted > the > > > > > > > files I > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > start over. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I would start over anyway, but thats just me. > > > Then > > > > > you > > > > > > > > know for > > > > > > > > > sure where you are starting from and can repeat the > > > > > > > process if you > > > > > > > > > have problems to see if it is a repeatable issue or > a > > > weird > > > > > > > > fluke of > > > > > > > > > some kind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/6/07, *Pravab J. 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