Hi Boh, On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 3:33 AM, Boh Yap <[email protected]> wrote: > > hi all, > > ooops.... press send accidently... previous message was incomplete, > this is the complete one. > > The usrges has no effect, MAMPUs OSS paper, if I remember correctly, > cannot be faulted, its the implementation that failed, there's no > teeth. And it does not address private sector, nor members of the > public/rakyat.
That's why it requires a mandate to make sure they go OSS. Why should Govt servants change? If they change to OSS it's not like they will get promoted or anything. > If I'm not wrong, MAMPU themselves have not totally gone OSS, and if > that's the case, how can they convince other gov. dept? You gota eat > yr own dog food. So true. When asked, they have no good answer for this. > Rather than just bitch about it, I'm suggesting that we take up Haris' > term, Community Nationality IT Policy, and make it into soemthing we > think it should be.... Time for Policies have come and gone. The Govt is really good at coming up with policies, what we need is enforcement of those said policies. > One thing that is sorely needed is funding to do 'marketing' of FOSS > to members of the public. No this need not be flashy ads. but rather a > bunch of grass roots program... for example, and expansion of the > Linux Uni project, currently rum by volunteers. Perhaps this project > can be expanded and formalised, with a charter and a paid excutive > committee and budget to run events. While grassroot activities are good, I have always argued for that it must start from Klang Valley. Build up a strong base so that we can establish ourselves. Has anyone approached private Unis like UNITAR, UTAR, Help or even SEGI? What is the obsession with far flung Universities and obscure colleges? Get the buy in from the more "well-known" establishments and people will notice it. > Another thing is a need for a resource center, ie: a one stop shop > where gov, or private sector entities can get answers and support for > FOSS. Like someone to install and maintain Linux for simple office LAN > and fileservers..., OpenOffice training, Web Development work... This > need not be entirely paid for and mainned by MAMPU/MDEC, it could > consist of freelances/partimers form the FOSS community. But the > service supplied should be of a certain standard... OSS e-MarketPlace (http://knowledge.oscc.org.my/e-marketplace) > The FOSS Resource Center (FOSSRC, FORCE?) portal, could be structured this > way: > > 1. have a registry of service providers, SP's (company, individuals) > with their contact info, and profiles > what are skillsets/profficiency offered, wat services (could also > include HW Repair) > have to be of certain skill level, how to determine? > > 2. Have standard rates for such services. > (let market decide or someone set some guidlines?) > > 3. MAMPU/MDEC help to facillitate getting training facillities, > (these could be in schools or Unis with Comp. Labs, or MAMPU/MDEC > branches ?) > well maybe Comp Labs in MDEC incubators, I know they have a few...) Sensitive for some as that places them in direct competition with Training providers like Iverson. > 4. A simple ecommerce back-end for booking and ordering of services as > well as for the > collaboration of such (arranging time, location and resources) > Maybe a payment gateway.. > (such a portal may be quite sophisticated, who's gonna develop it, > and who foots the bill?) Interesting idea. But at the end of the day, like you said who is gonna develop it and who is gonna pay for it? No political mileage, no way. > 5. Perhaps MAMPU/MDEC act as the payment intermmediary, for various reasons: > - most of SP's may not have companies to accept payment > - invoices issued under MAMPU-OSCC/MDEC look more palatable to corporate > accountants who cut the chq., than Tan Ah Kow Co. > - small free-lancers may not have the resc. to do billing and collection. > - MAMPU/MDEC pays the SP when the chq. clears. > (Most trng shld be CASH, other support may not) > - MAMPU/MDEC may take a small % for the administrative work. They cannot iinvolve with trade/money. MAMPU cannot involve themselves with commerce. I am unsure about MDEC. > note: and difficulties: > - MAMPU/MDEC being gov/semi-gov entities may have no provision to accept & > disburse monies. Of so then perhaps another entity can be appointed. > - there may be delays before the SP gets paid! > - SP's may not want to part with a % to the entity. > > thse are just ideas, let's hear some comments. > I don't wnt to be shouting in the wind. > > All these things can g into the Community National IT Plan (CNITP), > Any discussions on this todaya at Red1's 'office'. > > Hey Red1, perhaps you wanna lead the CNITP, then we'll all vote you > into IAP next year, and you'll have done ore than all the others and > have full bragging rights... -) > > > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Azrul Hasni MADISA > <[email protected]> wrote: >> "Urged"? Just like MAMPU "urge" agencies to use opensource? It would not >> changed anything. The government need to electrocute the agencies, tie them >> in straightjacket, kick them their *ss right on the hole and pull them by >> their b*lls. Then something would probably happen. >> >> Sorry for the harsh language, it's almost midnight hahahha >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> M'sia mandates local software use for govt >>> >>> Malaysian government agencies urged to use local applications, in move >>> that can boost country's software market but send wrong signal to foreign >>> players. >>> Tuesday, November 10 2009 05:16 PM >>> Find more stories in: Local Government, Software >>> engineering/development, R&D, Content management, Najib >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:55 PM, cikgu ayob <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Saya...setuju,,, >>>> We need to train the educator..(focus in school because i'm a teacher) >>>> walaupun....MOE..akan roll out 50 buah sekolah.lagi untuk e-learning >>>> guna moodle. >>>> saya support juga...berkaitan projek ni.. >>>> >>>> Berkaitan MSC-IAP...tu,, >>>> pada pendapat saya la... >>>> "what you give you get more from the person" >>>> but...tak tahu la..sapa yang dapat... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > >> > > > > -- > #------- > regds, > > Boh Heong, Yap > > > > -- > #------- > regds, > > Boh Heong, Yap > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. 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