hi all,
yes, let's discuss on open lists, this is after all an 'open
community'. And Red1 has been honest and open in sharing his fetish in
this thread (see last few posts ;-)
https://mail.google.com/mail/#search/fetish/12445fea336919fc
Also I agree with Red1, let's outgrow our 'kiasu' attitude! From my
experiance, this 'kiasu' atitude is not a monopoly of Malaysia or even
Singapore. This exists even for example, with China....
Red1, again I want to play devil's advocate,
1. you can't build a national IT policy on just ONE PRODUCT
ALONE, ERP, altho it has wide applications (yes, any business
entity would require an ERP, but you're missing many other
opportunities... read on)
2. I would also like to push the healthcare IT agenda, for MSC8, the
following reasons:
- Everybody needs healthcare, more so with our deteriorating
health standards, and hence a very wide market.
- Healthcare is not a price sensitive market, when did you last
bargain with yr doctor?, as opposed to someone bargaining for a
cheaper ERP solution..
- There is a wide range of high-end services under the healthcare
umbrella, hence investment/biz development opportunity..
ie: Medical imaging, in today's Star Clinical Trials - all highly IT
intensive.
- We have an opportunity to be world-class, especially in LHR
(Lifelong Health Record) by leveraging(reviving?) our smartcard
NRIC.
- and to correct a perception - healthcare is not ERP. Although
there is some overlap, like in areas of inventory, asset
management, logistics, the rest are not.
- Potential to provide world-class services, Healthcare has some
very strong and complex standards, HL7, Snomed, LOINC, ...
and experts and solutions for these earn big consultg bucks..
- Huge potential to do joint research with foreign Uni's, there are
FOSS projects from anything like Medical Imaging (think, 3D
games applied to medical), to LHR done by Uni like UCLA, MIT,
Harvard Med School, Imperial College etc...
PS http://www.mscmalaysia.my/topic/Enhanced+Health+Services
If you go to the above URL, you'll see that MSC talks about Health
Services and has a list of 'services' - LHR is one of them!
But other than MyHealth, the rest is vapourware?
And my question of MyHealth: is this the only outcome of the $$M
spent on the 'telemedicine flagship'?, its nothing more than a
brochureware portal!
Its forums are unmoderated, nobody seems to be answering,
and its littered with MLM guys pushing bogus? healthcare
products...
3. Lets not also forget the 'sexy' (in politicians and investors mind)
sectors like BioTech and GreenTech. (And these sectors have $$)
Both these sectors require a lot of IT, and to leave this out of a
MSC8 plan is just.... dumb. Here's why we shld work with these
parties.
Biotech -
relies heavilly on genetics engineering, and genetic sequencing
and workg with genetic database would not be possible without
IT.
Also sophisticated Lab machinery depends heavilly on
computer control snd programming, again requiring IT skills.
GreenTech -
Also requires a lot of IT, for the initial CAD/CAM engineering
design & fabrication (CNC (Computerised Numerial Control)
machine tools, robotics, etc...)
Also most GreenTech, be it Water Recycling, Wind Energy,
etc... require a lot of automated controls, needing expertise in
embedded systems design and programming... again another
aspect of IT!
4. Education: always been my bitch and pitch...
We HAVE TO revamp education, otherwise ALL of the above
including ERP is a pipe dream! The original MSC failed largely
because of education (can't produce the manpower, where are
the 1,000 Java programmers, the 80 PHDs in data/radio
comm.....), and MSC8 too will fail if edu doesn't change.
Yes Red1, I know your plans include a Adempiere Research
Center, that is well and good, but if basic technical skills is
not part of the core curriculum we still have a problem, eventho
you have have 100's ERP consultants... these will be just
business processes people.
5. Need to create a Hacker Culture
By this I mean we gotta change public perception of what a
hacker (and here I mean a good programmer, not a malicious
criminal that works with computers) is. That a 'hacker' is a
honourable and well paying job. Its as prestigous as a lawyer or
engineer.. . and parents would encourage their kids to be
programmers, instead of just lawyers and doctors...
How? Perhaps Rafe's idea of a widely publicised programming
competition is a good start. Perhaps there should be regular an
inter-school coding, website-design, security hacking
competition...
Perhaps a local production company will produce a short series
on hackers... c'mon lets come out with ideas...
If we can do this, ie: get the perception that nerds/hackers
are not social outcasts, but are role models - that will feed into
the edu system and provide the skilled manpower to drive MSC8.
(c'mon how many ppl decide to become lawyers because of all the
'glamorous' TV series? Can we do the same for IT? ..if I'm not
wrong, I read that at one time US law school recruitment shot up
because of the series 'LA Law' in the 90's)
6. Need to build and nurture the ecosystem...
Nothing exist in a vacuum; can't can't have an industry if you
don't have the HR, and having (badly trained?) HR without jobs
also doesn't work. Also we have to LEAP FROG the rest of the
world to be competitive. More of the SAME, BUSINESS AS
USUAL, will only see us a 2nd rate 'me too', yes can survive, but
still 2nd Rate.
The ecosystem consists of the Gov as a regulator and possibly
consumer of services & products, entrepreneurs innovating and
producing products/services, education producing the HR & skills,
private sector as the market for such services and products.
Include all of the above, and you'll make up the 500 pgs easy.
And I can find you someone who can work on the embedded and
instrumentation part, he builds real stuff, if you want help to write
that part of the report...
We have missed many opportunities - here's the bitching part - but
it helps to bring historical perspective...
- we missed the boat with semiconductors,
M'sia was one the first to do packaging for the big boys, Intel,
Motorola, AMD, TI, we even formed MIMOS to nurture our own
semicond technology.... 20+ yrs later, the lead was lost to
Taiwan/Korea, they have some of the largest wafer foundry, and
we ended up buying some 2nd-hand wafer plant, now located in
Sarawak! And our semicond packaging business are moving to
China...
- we missed opportunities with biotech,
I personally know of a few Msians with biotech IP, who was
turned downed by Msia, and are now doing well overseas.
They are still nationalistic enuff to try a second time... let's
see how it goes.
And we may miss the boat, because we are destroying our
most valuable biotech resource at an alarming rate, the
rainforest and coral reefs, becos the Oil Pam and tourism industry,
by building marinas/resots, to make some quick bucks.
Incidentally, the above biotech co. values Msia is because of this
resource, the biodiversity in our rainforest & coral reefs! Destroy
this and we have nothing left!
So I agree with Red1 tht this may be our chance to get back on the
boat, perhaps build a new boat - thats what Leap-Frogging is all
about... but pls make the boat more comprehensive, instead of just
ERP..
c'mon guys come up with some BIG ideas, thats the challenge.!
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Its never wrong or right to share ideas to public. Its all depend on
> people perspective.
>
> We need to compile all our proposal into one single big and thick
> proposal and then
> past it to any athority that we want to work with. Linuxvarsiti,
> Penguin Masuk Kampung,
> OSDC.my Conference, Adempire Excellence center and many more.
>
> We work as one then I believe they will look at us and listen.
>
> Lets stop "bullshiting" any party. We do have friends, but to help
> them and make our points
> we need to show that we are strong...
>
> (apa yang aku merepek ni)
>
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 11:57 AM, red1 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry i took you wrong (i admit) because you asked in public list. You
>> should ask in private email to me :)
>> Anyway thanks for your understanding. I did ask Hadi/Hafiz who are new
>> aquantances from UKM to meet me in private (ex-siswazah now handling
>> some business there who are interested in ICONity and have written to me
>> in private emails describing their ideas and challenges.
>>
>> Private meetings are ok for distinct reasons to listen to them and find
>> out how they can join our big picture and struggle. They also belanja me
>> one small coffee of the day. I teach them how to order (hehe, there is
>> always first time) and they pay.
>>
>> But one principle i followed is from www.cluetrain.com is to keep things
>> open. That is why i encourage them to write openly and gather moss. Of
>> course when i saw your reply here i felt upset and feel that this may
>> scare back our ppl. U know how kiasu we guys/gals are, sometimes.
>>
>> By learning to write and smash each other, we learn. Just like what i am
>> learning from you here. I learnt to be less bitchy and more pitchy! :)
>>
>> Kind regards
>> red1
>>
>> Nasrul Amri Samsudin wrote:
>>>
>>> Just asking red1, don't take me wrong. If I think you spamming, I
>>> will set rule in gmail to put in trash rather than ask admin to remove
>>> it. yet, I still receive ur email.
>>> Take it easy sifuu.
>>>
>
> >
>
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