You are a devil alright and mostly right! One little point though is that please do not associate adempiere as mine, irrespective of my neckhold on it. I very much wants it to be a Malaysian pride and might. All your ideas can make it happen faster.
I this week am at Park Royal attending the International Software Testing Qualification Board and met up with a very interesting contact that can turn the whole project worldwide around. Strange how Karma works, so i would leave it mysteriously at that :) (to leave the devil guessing) Boh Yap wrote: > hi all, > > yes, let's discuss on open lists, this is after all an 'open > community'. And Red1 has been honest and open in sharing his fetish in > this thread (see last few posts ;-) > https://mail.google.com/mail/#search/fetish/12445fea336919fc > > Also I agree with Red1, let's outgrow our 'kiasu' attitude! From my > experiance, this 'kiasu' atitude is not a monopoly of Malaysia or even > Singapore. This exists even for example, with China.... > > Red1, again I want to play devil's advocate, > > 1. you can't build a national IT policy on just ONE PRODUCT > ALONE, ERP, altho it has wide applications (yes, any business > entity would require an ERP, but you're missing many other > opportunities... read on) > > 2. I would also like to push the healthcare IT agenda, for MSC8, the > following reasons: > - Everybody needs healthcare, more so with our deteriorating > health standards, and hence a very wide market. > > - Healthcare is not a price sensitive market, when did you last > bargain with yr doctor?, as opposed to someone bargaining for a > cheaper ERP solution.. > > - There is a wide range of high-end services under the healthcare > umbrella, hence investment/biz development opportunity.. > ie: Medical imaging, in today's Star Clinical Trials - all highly IT > intensive. > > - We have an opportunity to be world-class, especially in LHR > (Lifelong Health Record) by leveraging(reviving?) our smartcard > NRIC. > > - and to correct a perception - healthcare is not ERP. Although > there is some overlap, like in areas of inventory, asset > management, logistics, the rest are not. > > - Potential to provide world-class services, Healthcare has some > very strong and complex standards, HL7, Snomed, LOINC, ... > and experts and solutions for these earn big consultg bucks.. > > - Huge potential to do joint research with foreign Uni's, there are > FOSS projects from anything like Medical Imaging (think, 3D > games applied to medical), to LHR done by Uni like UCLA, MIT, > Harvard Med School, Imperial College etc... > > PS http://www.mscmalaysia.my/topic/Enhanced+Health+Services > If you go to the above URL, you'll see that MSC talks about Health > Services and has a list of 'services' - LHR is one of them! > But other than MyHealth, the rest is vapourware? > > And my question of MyHealth: is this the only outcome of the $$M > spent on the 'telemedicine flagship'?, its nothing more than a > brochureware portal! > Its forums are unmoderated, nobody seems to be answering, > and its littered with MLM guys pushing bogus? healthcare > products... > > > 3. Lets not also forget the 'sexy' (in politicians and investors mind) > sectors like BioTech and GreenTech. (And these sectors have $$) > Both these sectors require a lot of IT, and to leave this out of a > MSC8 plan is just.... dumb. Here's why we shld work with these > parties. > > Biotech - > relies heavilly on genetics engineering, and genetic sequencing > and workg with genetic database would not be possible without > IT. > Also sophisticated Lab machinery depends heavilly on > computer control snd programming, again requiring IT skills. > > GreenTech - > Also requires a lot of IT, for the initial CAD/CAM engineering > design & fabrication (CNC (Computerised Numerial Control) > machine tools, robotics, etc...) > Also most GreenTech, be it Water Recycling, Wind Energy, > etc... require a lot of automated controls, needing expertise in > embedded systems design and programming... again another > aspect of IT! > > 4. Education: always been my bitch and pitch... > We HAVE TO revamp education, otherwise ALL of the above > including ERP is a pipe dream! The original MSC failed largely > because of education (can't produce the manpower, where are > the 1,000 Java programmers, the 80 PHDs in data/radio > comm.....), and MSC8 too will fail if edu doesn't change. > > Yes Red1, I know your plans include a Adempiere Research > Center, that is well and good, but if basic technical skills is > not part of the core curriculum we still have a problem, eventho > you have have 100's ERP consultants... these will be just > business processes people. > > 5. Need to create a Hacker Culture > By this I mean we gotta change public perception of what a > hacker (and here I mean a good programmer, not a malicious > criminal that works with computers) is. That a 'hacker' is a > honourable and well paying job. Its as prestigous as a lawyer or > engineer.. . and parents would encourage their kids to be > programmers, instead of just lawyers and doctors... > > How? Perhaps Rafe's idea of a widely publicised programming > competition is a good start. Perhaps there should be regular an > inter-school coding, website-design, security hacking > competition... > > Perhaps a local production company will produce a short series > on hackers... c'mon lets come out with ideas... > > If we can do this, ie: get the perception that nerds/hackers > are not social outcasts, but are role models - that will feed into > the edu system and provide the skilled manpower to drive MSC8. > > (c'mon how many ppl decide to become lawyers because of all the > 'glamorous' TV series? Can we do the same for IT? ..if I'm not > wrong, I read that at one time US law school recruitment shot up > because of the series 'LA Law' in the 90's) > > > 6. Need to build and nurture the ecosystem... > Nothing exist in a vacuum; can't can't have an industry if you > don't have the HR, and having (badly trained?) HR without jobs > also doesn't work. Also we have to LEAP FROG the rest of the > world to be competitive. More of the SAME, BUSINESS AS > USUAL, will only see us a 2nd rate 'me too', yes can survive, but > still 2nd Rate. > > The ecosystem consists of the Gov as a regulator and possibly > consumer of services & products, entrepreneurs innovating and > producing products/services, education producing the HR & skills, > private sector as the market for such services and products. > > Include all of the above, and you'll make up the 500 pgs easy. > And I can find you someone who can work on the embedded and > instrumentation part, he builds real stuff, if you want help to write > that part of the report... > > > We have missed many opportunities - here's the bitching part - but > it helps to bring historical perspective... > > - we missed the boat with semiconductors, > M'sia was one the first to do packaging for the big boys, Intel, > Motorola, AMD, TI, we even formed MIMOS to nurture our own > semicond technology.... 20+ yrs later, the lead was lost to > Taiwan/Korea, they have some of the largest wafer foundry, and > we ended up buying some 2nd-hand wafer plant, now located in > Sarawak! And our semicond packaging business are moving to > China... > > - we missed opportunities with biotech, > I personally know of a few Msians with biotech IP, who was > turned downed by Msia, and are now doing well overseas. > They are still nationalistic enuff to try a second time... let's > see how it goes. > > And we may miss the boat, because we are destroying our > most valuable biotech resource at an alarming rate, the > rainforest and coral reefs, becos the Oil Pam and tourism industry, > by building marinas/resots, to make some quick bucks. > Incidentally, the above biotech co. values Msia is because of this > resource, the biodiversity in our rainforest & coral reefs! Destroy > this and we have nothing left! > > So I agree with Red1 tht this may be our chance to get back on the > boat, perhaps build a new boat - thats what Leap-Frogging is all > about... but pls make the boat more comprehensive, instead of just > ERP.. > > c'mon guys come up with some BIG ideas, thats the challenge.! > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
