hi all,
thanks for the criticism...
I criticise because we NEED to be critical (not to condemn), one
should not just accept being spoon-fed numbers as they are, but must
be substantiated. Perhaps I am cynical, but I/we have been fed too
much positive numbers by the powers that be, so much so that
everything looks rosy...
Look at what we have been told about MSC, is it a real success..?
Maybe I have been in this industry, and at the 'bleeding edge' for too
long, I wanna belief, but ... just believing ain't gonna make it
happen.
I for one don't want the OSS community to just 'feel good' just becos
some numbers says we are winning... been thru too many situations like
that, where I thought I would win becos we/we had the better
knowledge, better technology, better product, but underestimated the
'enemies' marketing power. Our enemies are strong and they have
marketing dollars to spend... think M$!
I for one don't want the OSS community to just 'feel good' just becos
some numbers says we are winning... been thru too many situations like
that, where I thought I would win becos we/we had the better
knowledge, better technology, better product, but underestimated the
'enemies' marketing power. Our enemies are strong and they have
marketing dollars to spend... think M$!
Also, as a community I want us all to be wary, keep improving ourselves.
No I don't wanna wait for the numbers, beacuse as I mentioned before,
the numbers (or rather statistics) may lie! (and yes, I majored in
Statistics).
Web servers are not the only OSS soltn, true, but they are the most
visible and easiest to assess. And Web Servers are where OSS has the
strongest justification, compared to the desktop. If we don't/can't
have a strong foothold there then, the chances on desktop are even
slimmer. And looking at the link Haris provided, Open Office usage are
pretty low, despite (from talking to OSCC staff), they have conducted
many Open Office classes, so the uptake is still low...
On the other hand, Raja I believe, has told me that the majority of
Web Servers has gone OSS, mainly because internal IT Dept, either
couldn't get a budget, or wait for a budget and decided to 'try' OSS,
found that it works and took it from there. There could also have been
guys that are already OSS supporters and persuaded their management to
go OSS. These guys (respective IT depts) are the guerilla fighters of
the OSS community and should be applauded and supported.
They should be 'recruited' to be part of OSDC if not already so.
Perhaps some of them are members of the OSDC, and could they pls give
their views?
But the point I'd like to make is that the success of OSS then is
still limited, its the result of action of small groups of
'enthusiasts' within the government, and is still NOT A MATTER OF
POLICY, or it may be policy but its not being followed... Case in
point, talk to OSCC staff, and they'll tell you that their frustration
is they have no 'enforcement' power for OSS.
I think, a major victory would have been won, if a gov tender comes
out, and states that it HAS to be OSS, then that would be significant.
And this ties in to the point about demand for services for OSS, and I
agree with the rest of you guys, yes this will grow, we better be
ready.
Just a rather blunt questions, if a tender for a big gov OSS project
comes out, who do you think will get the job, companies like Acenture,
IBM, Sun (Sun & IBM are OSS companies too...) or some small OSS
company? Do you think we can be part of it?
So my point is not to just feel good, but be ready, otherwise the
prize we are fighting for will be stolen by somebody....
..wasn't it Steve Jobs who, in a speech to Stanford, said
"..stay lean, stay hungry.." ?
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Do agree with you bro. This year with the cutting cost gov moving into
> self made application
> and support and
>
> For me, OSS is the suitable choice. With free license, easy to get
> documentation,
> community support and OSCC. I do find surge in OSS demand.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:24 AM, MM <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Bros,
> > Think out of the box? web server is not the only oss solution available kan.
> > Figure/statistic is real. whats achieved is real. WTF? from 70s to 90s?
> > thanks for the continuos awareness, marketing and supports from OSCC folks,
> > and dont have to write a scrip to get the header out, ready solution is
> > available. wait till total saving is announced...u all will be amazed and
> > maybe wonder too, as usual. like it or not, demand for support and training
> > is coming from this sector, and we all should start to get ready for this,
> > rather than arguing the statistic.
> >
> > MM
> >
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