I'ts really hard to stop bitching but this 95 % business is really getting to me hahahhahaha...
Anyway, just a few months ago, it was 70 % http://www.opensource.org/node/489. Wow! from 70% to 95% in a few months. By this rate we will have 115% by next year hahhahahaha... This was my take when it reached 70 % previously. Enjoy The gist of it: Revealing statistics without showing the methodology is the equivalent of saying the world is flat and you will fall off its edge if you travel too far. Anyway, keep up the good work Boh Yap. I'll be bitching^H^H^H^H^H criticising too I promise myself not to bitch too much but this is such a troll bait, I have > to bite. > > Disclaimer: I'm not trying to belittle OSCC here, it's just that I believe > that claims must be backed by facts, not just some numbers plucked from the > air (maybe the facts are there that I just couldn't find it, if so, please > point me to the right direction). > > My beef is this, how the heck do you get 70% from? just because a wannabe > geek inside a gov. office uses OOo suddenly the whole office is counted as > "adopting open source"? What about mixed environment, how do you count that? > What's the methodology? What about running OOo on Windows? is that > opensource or not? > > Things like these are important because it helps us to focus on what is > needed. I mean, FOSS (OSS/FLOSS/whatever) is supposed to be winning and yet > MS is laughing all the way to the bank with our tax money, what gives? The > next guy shouting "cybermerdeka!" would be laughed at and yet the gov still > kow-tow to Balmer like he's some enlighten being or something. > > Didn't someone say that the greatest achievement of the devil is to convince > the world he does not exist... not necessarily true, but... > > Note: a more relevant study would show how much licenses purchased say last > year compared to this year and how much we actually spend and how much > saving is done. I guess those numbers are just too depressing to be > released. > Azrul > > Azrul Sensei On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Boh Yap <[email protected]> wrote: > hi all, > > thanks for the criticism... > > I criticise because we NEED to be critical (not to condemn), one > should not just accept being spoon-fed numbers as they are, but must > be substantiated. Perhaps I am cynical, but I/we have been fed too > much positive numbers by the powers that be, so much so that > everything looks rosy... > Look at what we have been told about MSC, is it a real success..? > Maybe I have been in this industry, and at the 'bleeding edge' for too > long, I wanna belief, but ... just believing ain't gonna make it > happen. > > I for one don't want the OSS community to just 'feel good' just becos > some numbers says we are winning... been thru too many situations like > that, where I thought I would win becos we/we had the better > knowledge, better technology, better product, but underestimated the > 'enemies' marketing power. Our enemies are strong and they have > marketing dollars to spend... think M$! > > I for one don't want the OSS community to just 'feel good' just becos > some numbers says we are winning... been thru too many situations like > that, where I thought I would win becos we/we had the better > knowledge, better technology, better product, but underestimated the > 'enemies' marketing power. Our enemies are strong and they have > marketing dollars to spend... think M$! > > Also, as a community I want us all to be wary, keep improving ourselves. > > No I don't wanna wait for the numbers, beacuse as I mentioned before, > the numbers (or rather statistics) may lie! (and yes, I majored in > Statistics). > > Web servers are not the only OSS soltn, true, but they are the most > visible and easiest to assess. And Web Servers are where OSS has the > strongest justification, compared to the desktop. If we don't/can't > have a strong foothold there then, the chances on desktop are even > slimmer. And looking at the link Haris provided, Open Office usage are > pretty low, despite (from talking to OSCC staff), they have conducted > many Open Office classes, so the uptake is still low... > > On the other hand, Raja I believe, has told me that the majority of > Web Servers has gone OSS, mainly because internal IT Dept, either > couldn't get a budget, or wait for a budget and decided to 'try' OSS, > found that it works and took it from there. There could also have been > guys that are already OSS supporters and persuaded their management to > go OSS. These guys (respective IT depts) are the guerilla fighters of > the OSS community and should be applauded and supported. > They should be 'recruited' to be part of OSDC if not already so. > Perhaps some of them are members of the OSDC, and could they pls give > their views? > > But the point I'd like to make is that the success of OSS then is > still limited, its the result of action of small groups of > 'enthusiasts' within the government, and is still NOT A MATTER OF > POLICY, or it may be policy but its not being followed... Case in > point, talk to OSCC staff, and they'll tell you that their frustration > is they have no 'enforcement' power for OSS. > > I think, a major victory would have been won, if a gov tender comes > out, and states that it HAS to be OSS, then that would be significant. > > And this ties in to the point about demand for services for OSS, and I > agree with the rest of you guys, yes this will grow, we better be > ready. > > Just a rather blunt questions, if a tender for a big gov OSS project > comes out, who do you think will get the job, companies like Acenture, > IBM, Sun (Sun & IBM are OSS companies too...) or some small OSS > company? Do you think we can be part of it? > > So my point is not to just feel good, but be ready, otherwise the > prize we are fighting for will be stolen by somebody.... > > > ..wasn't it Steve Jobs who, in a speech to Stanford, said > "..stay lean, stay hungry.." ? > > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Do agree with you bro. This year with the cutting cost gov moving into > > self made application > > and support and > > > > For me, OSS is the suitable choice. With free license, easy to get > > documentation, > > community support and OSCC. I do find surge in OSS demand. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:24 AM, MM <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Bros, > > > Think out of the box? web server is not the only oss solution available > kan. > > > Figure/statistic is real. whats achieved is real. WTF? from 70s to > 90s? > > > thanks for the continuos awareness, marketing and supports from OSCC > folks, > > > and dont have to write a scrip to get the header out, ready solution is > > > available. wait till total saving is announced...u all will be amazed > and > > > maybe wonder too, as usual. like it or not, demand for support and > training > > > is coming from this sector, and we all should start to get ready for > this, > > > rather than arguing the statistic. > > > > > > MM > > > > > > > -- > > Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ > > > > Facebook Fan page > > > > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 > > > > http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<osdcmy-list%[email protected]> > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en > > > -- > #------- > regds, > > Boh Heong, Yap > > -- > Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ > > Facebook Fan page > > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 > > http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<osdcmy-list%[email protected]> > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en > -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. 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