One more vote for Brian, this is a cruel world and we need to help ourselves in order to really survive!!!
Regards, CL Chow "Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/"; On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Adzmely Mansor <[email protected]> wrote: > mesdames et messieurs, > > if any lines are drawn i'll be standing the same line as Brian... > > just a thought, no batteries included ... > > :) > > > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 6:31 PM, rafe azsnal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> red1, i am and still working for mdec, what ever it is when one say >> something bad about mdec i just got to defensive mode when i need to >> protect the company i am working with. i dont care if any of u attack >> me personally or not it just me. but when it go as far as this i feel >> it is my responsibility to protect it. as i have done to you time and >> time again. red1 i always treat you as my friend and you are still my >> friend and you know i'll help you till the limit of my authority. i >> hope every one of you here realize that all of us are just plain human >> being where we make mistake every second of the day and hoping we >> learn from there. >> >> if you coming to mdec to kick my arse please do so tuan and i will >> surely kick your arse back again. :) >> >> On 5/19/10, red1 <[email protected]> wrote: >> > i tend to agree loudly to this Brian, but my pitch is that if Malaysia >> > wants to be no.1 Govt has to interfere correctly. >> > We are not a top world economy. Tun Dr. Mahathir applied that principle >> > of guided (read interference) very well to put us up there. >> > No European country has an MDec like ours. It is there to arrest the >> > slow process (USA took 200 years) of going thru evolution. >> > We are not going to repeat wars and market crashes to reach where USA is >> > today. We learnt from their past and thus M'sia has the benefit of >> > hindsight, and MDec can do wonders if it applys the right pedals to the >> > right rubber. >> > >> > I am frustrated with simple stuff: >> > 1. When IAP still features kuailohs instead of us M'sians. This is not >> > to ask for grants. This is not even to ask for recognition. But this is >> > just to ask to stop this nonsense of looking up to others that now we >> > have our own goat and mutton. This is asking for pride where pride is >> > due. This does wonders if you put some Malaysians up there where their >> > words can inspire more than just thru the inside pages of TheStar's >> Intech. >> > >> > 2. MDec asked for help but do not change the rules of the game. Today >> > the game is fast-changing with its attendant processes to achieve it. We >> > need not copy and paste from Singapore nor Silicon Valley. Honestly i do >> > not see any borang gomen that is original. I can show you lots of >> > principles in used by 1st world nations that are mind boggling. No, not >> > that i am asking to be deported to those fascinating countries. I am >> > just asking, 'learn from others in order to overtake them'. Nope, i m >> > not saying 'copycat them'. I am saying look at the rules. We can change >> > them well when it comes to us. >> > >> > In the end, i have a dream: >> > "Where Malaysia need not follow others to get there. Where Malaysia >> > dares to break the rules yet is correct in the end. Where Malaysia can >> > win, win in its own Blue Ocean". >> > >> > Rafe, >> > I am still at a lost why you suddenly blow up. I never mentioned your >> > name. It was Raja Iskandar who hentam more keras than me. I do not even >> > know that your CEO is who actually. They fill me in. To me i do not care >> > and i dont want to know. All i want to know is when do you want to get >> > into the bull ring and score your own KPI of '5 top world class >> > developers'. I been waiting. waiting since last year. I kept going to >> > the MDec cafe and sms you hoping to discuss progressively. Remember our >> > last sit-in last year where Azrul, Raja, Boh and you (with Rozi) was >> > around and you told me lots of stuff such as "Hacking contest with >> > USD10k prize" and i pour out free as in no need to pay me ideas - all in >> > the name of helping u and MDec. I never talk about getting me paid or >> > make me look good. I talked until hoarse about making Malaysia look >> good. >> > >> > Sincerely if you blew up tak tentu pasal again, i am going to personally >> > go there and kick your ass till the Pau Lady poster drops down. >> > >> > Don't make this into a personal war cos it is not. Think of our country >> > together or else fuck it! >> > >> > On 5/19/10 5:26 PM, BRIAN RITCHIE wrote: >> >> Let me say this. The biggest underlying problem with Malaysian >> >> "Technopreneurs" is the reliance on Gov to provide you with funding. >> >> While I think its great that the Gov gives out such grants, my >> >> personal believe is that they shouldn't. Not at all. To no one, no >> >> matter how great your idea is. This causes the exact situation we r >> >> seeing here where people who get it sometimes abuse it ( or not) and >> >> people who don't whine ( or not ). What happened to the real spirit of >> >> Entrepreneurship ? 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