need to discuss with other ALP first before i can share it here. Will update soonest possible. :-)
Tambahan Info dr cerita Kamal, Wakil dari SKM juga akan hadir pada hari pemilihan ALP untuk mengesahkan koperasi tersebut. So everyone need to understand that everything have to be perfect on that first meeting. :-) 2010/10/17 Raja Iskandar Shah <rajaiskand...@gmail.com> > i suggest after we hit 50, we run a survey on what the objectives of the > cooperative should be. and in between we also try to ramp up to 100 > interested members. > > mohd kamal, thanks for highlighting your own personal experience (dah > daftar ke ?). > > kamal / yun, is it possible for us to get a copy of the document of the > other established cooperatives ? this is just as a guide. > > my only other concern is that i dont see any non-malay names on this thread > ... why ? better to address this now. > > also we should also look at a business plan that can provide 15% dividends > or income or even employment. example conducting courses, where the > cooperative share 50:50 the revenue with the member instructor. this will > attract future members. > > publication of books / e-books / magazines with sponsors / advertisers is > also another good revenue stream. > > > > 2010/10/17 Ahmad Arafat Abdullah <trunas...@gmail.com> > > saya dah response kat form dan reply.. TQ >> >> >> >> >> >> 2010/10/15 lutfi raffi <lutfira...@gmail.com> >> >>> Gunakan link yang terbaru dalam bentuk borang,,, >>> https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dF9VdjRoNDBsU0FvVXhjVkRTSmhpc2c6MQ >>> >>> >>> >>> 2010/10/15 Ahmad Arafat Abdullah <trunas...@gmail.com> >>> >>> *We're sorry, trunas...@gmail.com does not have permission to access >>>> this spreadsheet. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>>> 2010/10/15 lutfi raffi <lutfira...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> update terbaru: setakat ni sudah ada 33 orang yang setuju dan >>>>> mendaftar... >>>>> >>>>> 2010/10/14 Ahmad Arafat Abdullah <trunas...@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> nanti saya isi gak dan lain2 menyusul.. >>>>>> >>>>>> boleh update list sapa dah join etc? kalau emdne tuh tak confidential >>>>>> la.. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> 2010/10/14 Mohd Hidzuan <hidz...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> salam sudah isi tuan.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RM 20 ni macma mana nak bagi? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2010/10/11 lutfi raffi <lutfira...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> @Tuan Zayn: Terima kasih di atas maklumat tuan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @Tuan Sharuzzaman: Perkara ini ada sedikit sudah dibincangkan dalam >>>>>>>> mailing list osdc yang bertajuk "osdc.my master plan". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *post pertama yang saya kemukakan ialah* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Salam... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pertama sekali, saya ingin mengucapkan tahniah di atas MOSC 2010. >>>>>>>> Setelah membaca mailing list osdc.my, saya tergerak untuk memikirkan >>>>>>>> cara-cara untuk membantu komuniti terutama dari segi kewangan. Jadi >>>>>>>> saya >>>>>>>> mencadangkan agar kite menubuhkan koperasi OSDC.my (atau nama yang >>>>>>>> lain) >>>>>>>> supaya komuniti-komuniti OSS di Malaysia dapat bergiat dengan lebih >>>>>>>> aktif >>>>>>>> lagi dengan kewujudan koperasi ini. Selain itu, Cik Najah sangat arif >>>>>>>> di >>>>>>>> dalam bidang ini. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jika tak silap saya, untuk menubuhkan koperasi perlukan minimum 50 >>>>>>>> orang. sekiranya setiap ahli menyumbang RM 20, jadi modal permulaan >>>>>>>> untuk >>>>>>>> koperasi adalah RM1000.00. Untuk permulaan saya rasa kita boleh >>>>>>>> mengadakan >>>>>>>> bengkel-bengkel OSS seperti yang telah dilakukan saudara Hidzwan (e1) >>>>>>>> yang >>>>>>>> sering mendapat sambutan. Untung bersih (setelah tolak kos upah dan >>>>>>>> sebagainya) kita boleh masukkan ke dalam akaun koperasi. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Selain bengkel, kita juga boleh buat jualan-jualan seperti yang >>>>>>>> dilakukan oleh rakan Jom Linux (Digide Technology Enterprise) yang >>>>>>>> menjual >>>>>>>> CD Ubuntu dan aksesori-aksesori yang berkaitan dengan OSS. Ini juga >>>>>>>> dapat >>>>>>>> memudahkan dan menggalakkan pengguna linux untuk mempromosikan OSS >>>>>>>> lagi. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oleh itu, saya perlukan pendapat kalian untuk meneruskan projek >>>>>>>> ini. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Antara kelebihan sekiranya koperasi ini diwujudkan berdasarkan >>>>>>>> perbincangan di dalam email tersebut ialah:* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oleh Tuan Raja Iskandar Shah: >>>>>>>> 1) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> perbezaan : persatuan is non-profit, koperasi ialah for profit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> terdapat beberapa koperasi yg mana profit digunakan untuk menaja >>>>>>>> pelajaran bagi ahli / anak ahli. juga terdapat koperasi yg menjalankan >>>>>>>> bisnis pendidikan / kolej >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sekiranya kita bernaung di bawah angkasa, then kita juga boleh ada >>>>>>>> skim bagi kakitangan kerajaan, selain swasta. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> kalau tak silap saya koperasi juga boleh berdaftar dgn kementerian >>>>>>>> kewangan - bermaksud koperasi boleh participate dalam sebutharga / >>>>>>>> tender >>>>>>>> ;-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but as far as i know there has not been any cooperative solely for >>>>>>>> oss development in the world, maybe because not many people understand >>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>> is a cooperative >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> imho, the cooperative model is the most suitable for the oss >>>>>>>> community - because members are free to come and go, and yet we can >>>>>>>> still do >>>>>>>> business. compared to sdn bhd shareholding is limited, society is >>>>>>>> non-profit >>>>>>>> cannot do govt tenders, foundation is even worse ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Daripada Tuan Mustakim Ahmad: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Salam. Saya dah mendengar taklimat daripada ANGKASA pada bulan mei >>>>>>>>> lalu. Daftar koperasi dengan ANGKASA, akan dapat inisiatif RM3000 >>>>>>>>> terus. >>>>>>>>> Tapi, make sure, koperasi tu berdaftar. Dan orang yang menguruskan >>>>>>>>> dan ahli >>>>>>>>> lembaga koperasi berhak mendapat elaun bagi tugas-tugas yang >>>>>>>>> dijalankan. >>>>>>>>> Pergi dengar taklimat koeprasi ANGKASA peringkat kebangsaan hari itu >>>>>>>>> pun >>>>>>>>> dapat elaun RM300 makan minum percuma, berak cangkung. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Saya akan cuba menjawab persoalan tuan: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. apa tujuan penubuhan koperasi ni? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tujuan utama penubuhan ini (dari segi perspektif saya) ialah untuk >>>>>>>> meningkatkan ekonomi dan kebajikan bagi setiap ahli koperasi yang >>>>>>>> terdiri >>>>>>>> daripada penggiat OSS di Malaysia. Seperti yang telah diterangkan oleh >>>>>>>> Tuan >>>>>>>> Raja, Koperasi boleh berdaftar dengan kementerian kewangan. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Selain itu, sekiranya projek ini berjaya, kita akan dapat mengumpul >>>>>>>> dana untuk kebaikan pergerakan OSS di Malaysia tanpa mengharapkan >>>>>>>> bantuan >>>>>>>> sesiapa. Inilah kebebasan sebenar. Mungkin di suatu tahap nanti >>>>>>>> koperasi >>>>>>>> boleh memberikan pinjaman atau geran untuk melahirkan world class >>>>>>>> developer >>>>>>>> di Malaysia. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. apa perancangan jangka pendek, sederhana dan panjang koperasi ni? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Jangka pendek * >>>>>>>> dapat modal semula dan keuntungan yang boleh dibanggakan. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Jangka sederhana * >>>>>>>> memberikan pendapatan pasif kepada ahli dan mempunyai dana yang >>>>>>>> boleh dilaburkan dan membantu aktiviti pembangunan OSS di Malaysia >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Jangka panjang* >>>>>>>> menjaga kebajikan ahli dan menjalankan bisnes pendidikan (kolej) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3. kemana pelaburan ahli akan digunakan? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sudah dijawab dalam soalan di atas >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4. kalau RM 20 x 100 orang ahli, baru RM 2000. apa yang koperasi ni >>>>>>>>> boleh buat dengan modal RM 2000? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Boleh refer di atas sekali. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Walaubagaimanapun, jawapan ini adalah jawapan peribadi saya, *segala >>>>>>>> perancangan adalah melibatkan semua ahli* kerana ini adalah >>>>>>>> perniagaan bersama. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Facebook Fan page >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<osdcmy-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia 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