2010/11/5 eBay <[email protected]> > nie koperasi berdaftar ke tak ? ada naya kes tipu nie ....jaga2 >
baru nak daftar..sedang cari ahli dulu.. > > Pada 2010 Oktober 19 22:14, lutfi raffi <[email protected]> menulis: > > Update: sudah ada 41 orang yang berminat dan mengisi borang. Need only 9 >> more person to make it happen. :) >> >> >> >> >> 2010/10/17 Haris bin Ali <[email protected]> >> >> Maybe kena publicise kan wider sikit on other mailing lists ke twitter >>> ke wherever pasal cadangan penubuhan koperasi ni? >>> >>> Haris bin Ali >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> 2010/10/17 lutfi raffi <[email protected]>: >>> > Update: sudah ada 37 orang yang mengisi borang... >>> > I also have think about the publication (i.e Linux for U) that we can >>> make >>> > as one of the product from the cooperative. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > 2010/10/17 Raja Iskandar Shah <[email protected]> >>> >> >>> >> i suggest after we hit 50, we run a survey on what the objectives of >>> the >>> >> cooperative should be. and in between we also try to ramp up to 100 >>> >> interested members. >>> >> >>> >> mohd kamal, thanks for highlighting your own personal experience (dah >>> >> daftar ke ?). >>> >> >>> >> kamal / yun, is it possible for us to get a copy of the document of >>> the >>> >> other established cooperatives ? this is just as a guide. >>> >> >>> >> my only other concern is that i dont see any non-malay names on this >>> >> thread ... why ? better to address this now. >>> >> >>> >> also we should also look at a business plan that can provide 15% >>> dividends >>> >> or income or even employment. example conducting courses, where the >>> >> cooperative share 50:50 the revenue with the member instructor. this >>> will >>> >> attract future members. >>> >> >>> >> publication of books / e-books / magazines with sponsors / advertisers >>> is >>> >> also another good revenue stream. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> 2010/10/17 Ahmad Arafat Abdullah <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> >>> saya dah response kat form dan reply.. TQ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2010/10/15 lutfi raffi <[email protected]> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Gunakan link yang terbaru dalam bentuk >>> >>>> borang,,, >>> https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dF9VdjRoNDBsU0FvVXhjVkRTSmhpc2c6MQ >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> 2010/10/15 Ahmad Arafat Abdullah <[email protected]> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> We're sorry, [email protected] does not have permission to >>> access >>> >>>>> this spreadsheet. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> 2010/10/15 lutfi raffi <[email protected]> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> update terbaru: setakat ni sudah ada 33 orang yang setuju dan >>> >>>>>> mendaftar... >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> 2010/10/14 Ahmad Arafat Abdullah <[email protected]> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> nanti saya isi gak dan lain2 menyusul.. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> boleh update list sapa dah join etc? kalau emdne tuh tak >>> confidential >>> >>>>>>> la.. :) >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> 2010/10/14 Mohd Hidzuan <[email protected]> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> salam sudah isi tuan.. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> RM 20 ni macma mana nak bagi? >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> 2010/10/11 lutfi raffi <[email protected]> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> @Tuan Zayn: Terima kasih di atas maklumat tuan >>> >>>>>>>>> @Tuan Sharuzzaman: Perkara ini ada sedikit sudah dibincangkan >>> dalam >>> >>>>>>>>> mailing list osdc yang bertajuk "osdc.my master plan". >>> >>>>>>>>> post pertama yang saya kemukakan ialah >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Salam... >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Pertama sekali, saya ingin mengucapkan tahniah di atas MOSC >>> 2010. >>> >>>>>>>>> Setelah membaca mailing list osdc.my, saya tergerak untuk >>> memikirkan >>> >>>>>>>>> cara-cara untuk membantu komuniti terutama dari segi kewangan. >>> Jadi saya >>> >>>>>>>>> mencadangkan agar kite menubuhkan koperasi OSDC.my (atau nama >>> yang lain) >>> >>>>>>>>> supaya komuniti-komuniti OSS di Malaysia dapat bergiat dengan >>> lebih aktif >>> >>>>>>>>> lagi dengan kewujudan koperasi ini. Selain itu, Cik Najah >>> sangat arif di >>> >>>>>>>>> dalam bidang ini. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Jika tak silap saya, untuk menubuhkan koperasi perlukan minimum >>> 50 >>> >>>>>>>>> orang. sekiranya setiap ahli menyumbang RM 20, jadi modal >>> permulaan untuk >>> >>>>>>>>> koperasi adalah RM1000.00. Untuk permulaan saya rasa kita boleh >>> mengadakan >>> >>>>>>>>> bengkel-bengkel OSS seperti yang telah dilakukan saudara >>> Hidzwan (e1) yang >>> >>>>>>>>> sering mendapat sambutan. Untung bersih (setelah tolak kos upah >>> dan >>> >>>>>>>>> sebagainya) kita boleh masukkan ke dalam akaun koperasi. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Selain bengkel, kita juga boleh buat jualan-jualan seperti yang >>> >>>>>>>>> dilakukan oleh rakan Jom Linux (Digide Technology Enterprise) >>> yang menjual >>> >>>>>>>>> CD Ubuntu dan aksesori-aksesori yang berkaitan dengan OSS. Ini >>> juga dapat >>> >>>>>>>>> memudahkan dan menggalakkan pengguna linux untuk mempromosikan >>> OSS lagi. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Oleh itu, saya perlukan pendapat kalian untuk meneruskan projek >>> >>>>>>>>> ini. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Antara kelebihan sekiranya koperasi ini diwujudkan berdasarkan >>> >>>>>>>>> perbincangan di dalam email tersebut ialah: >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Oleh Tuan Raja Iskandar Shah: >>> >>>>>>>>> 1) >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> perbezaan : persatuan is non-profit, koperasi ialah for profit. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> terdapat beberapa koperasi yg mana profit digunakan untuk >>> menaja >>> >>>>>>>>> pelajaran bagi ahli / anak ahli. juga terdapat koperasi yg >>> menjalankan >>> >>>>>>>>> bisnis pendidikan / kolej >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> sekiranya kita bernaung di bawah angkasa, then kita juga boleh >>> ada >>> >>>>>>>>> skim bagi kakitangan kerajaan, selain swasta. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> kalau tak silap saya koperasi juga boleh berdaftar dgn >>> kementerian >>> >>>>>>>>> kewangan - bermaksud koperasi boleh participate dalam >>> sebutharga / tender >>> >>>>>>>>> ;-) >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> 2) >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> but as far as i know there has not been any cooperative solely >>> for >>> >>>>>>>>> oss development in the world, maybe because not many people >>> understand what >>> >>>>>>>>> is a cooperative >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> imho, the cooperative model is the most suitable for the oss >>> >>>>>>>>> community - because members are free to come and go, and yet we >>> can still do >>> >>>>>>>>> business. compared to sdn bhd shareholding is limited, society >>> is non-profit >>> >>>>>>>>> cannot do govt tenders, foundation is even worse ! >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Daripada Tuan Mustakim Ahmad: >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Salam. Saya dah mendengar taklimat daripada ANGKASA pada bulan >>> mei >>> >>>>>>>>>> lalu. Daftar koperasi dengan ANGKASA, akan dapat inisiatif >>> RM3000 terus. >>> >>>>>>>>>> Tapi, make sure, koperasi tu berdaftar. Dan orang yang >>> menguruskan dan ahli >>> >>>>>>>>>> lembaga koperasi berhak mendapat elaun bagi tugas-tugas yang >>> dijalankan. >>> >>>>>>>>>> Pergi dengar taklimat koeprasi ANGKASA peringkat kebangsaan >>> hari itu pun >>> >>>>>>>>>> dapat elaun RM300 makan minum percuma, berak cangkung. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Saya akan cuba menjawab persoalan tuan: >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. apa tujuan penubuhan koperasi ni? >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Tujuan utama penubuhan ini (dari segi perspektif saya) ialah >>> untuk >>> >>>>>>>>> meningkatkan ekonomi dan kebajikan bagi setiap ahli koperasi >>> yang terdiri >>> >>>>>>>>> daripada penggiat OSS di Malaysia. Seperti yang telah >>> diterangkan oleh Tuan >>> >>>>>>>>> Raja, Koperasi boleh berdaftar dengan kementerian kewangan. >>> >>>>>>>>> Selain itu, sekiranya projek ini berjaya, kita akan dapat >>> mengumpul >>> >>>>>>>>> dana untuk kebaikan pergerakan OSS di Malaysia tanpa >>> mengharapkan bantuan >>> >>>>>>>>> sesiapa. Inilah kebebasan sebenar. Mungkin di suatu tahap nanti >>> koperasi >>> >>>>>>>>> boleh memberikan pinjaman atau geran untuk melahirkan world >>> class developer >>> >>>>>>>>> di Malaysia. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> 2. apa perancangan jangka pendek, sederhana dan panjang >>> koperasi >>> >>>>>>>>>> ni? >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Jangka pendek >>> >>>>>>>>> dapat modal semula dan keuntungan yang boleh dibanggakan. >>> >>>>>>>>> Jangka sederhana >>> >>>>>>>>> memberikan pendapatan pasif kepada ahli dan mempunyai dana yang >>> >>>>>>>>> boleh dilaburkan dan membantu aktiviti pembangunan OSS di >>> Malaysia >>> >>>>>>>>> Jangka panjang >>> >>>>>>>>> menjaga kebajikan ahli dan menjalankan bisnes pendidikan >>> (kolej) >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> 3. kemana pelaburan ahli akan digunakan? >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> sudah dijawab dalam soalan di atas >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> 4. kalau RM 20 x 100 orang ahli, baru RM 2000. apa yang >>> koperasi >>> >>>>>>>>>> ni >>> >>>>>>>>>> boleh buat dengan modal RM 2000? >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Boleh refer di atas sekali. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Walaubagaimanapun, jawapan ini adalah jawapan peribadi saya, >>> segala >>> >>>>>>>>> perancangan adalah melibatkan semua ahli kerana ini adalah >>> perniagaan >>> >>>>>>>>> bersama. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>> Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Facebook Fan page >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>> Google >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. >>> >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >>>>>>>>> [email protected]<osdcmy-list%[email protected]> >>> >>>>>>>>> For more 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