You know I make most of my donating in secret due to religious beliefs. It sucks to be questioned on my donating based on my asking why Adobe did not contribute the time and financial efforts towards OSFlash. I think it is a valid question. Why not OSFlash why RIAForge. For once it would be nice if the corporate juggernauts would see guys like Aral. Why this Ray guy from RIAForge.
Why is asking questions bad? Who taught the people not to ask why? On Thursday 19 October 2006 6:45 pm, Martin Heidegger wrote: > Sorry: Thats what I meant with fighting: Both arguments are > ridiculus. > > Where is the connection between if he is supporting to if > someone who is rich contributing? > > also > > Where do you see the that Adobe only wants to crush? > > Of course: They don't want to put money to something they > can get for free: Nobody else in a corporation would do that > (in my personal opinion this is A-grade unsocial but its the nature > of corporate business). Just some weird idealists would do that > might find this to be more appropriate. > > It is better than nothing that they try to make one of their guy getting > some things done for the open source community. Its part of the > public relations budget(or marketing?), can be calculated and brings > a technical argument for a product (all products in certain case) and > (almost forgot) adds internal knowhow. Everything reasonable from a > decent point of view. > > What really annoys me about this page that there has been put > effort into a public service without bringing together the people. This > would have increased the value of the RIAForge, of osflash (ManPower is > also a contribution) of Flash as platform (are there similar platforms for > flex/cf/dw/etc.?) in general. Furthermore with a dialog you could have > made RIAForge more anticipated better for use and maybe cheaper due to > the fact that they could have got help from outside. And I think this > is what most people feel. > > Anway: What do you aim? > > yours > Martin. > > 2006/10/20, Evert | Rooftop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Besides, > > > > What are you contributing in the open source space, chris? > > > > Just been checking out your website: http://trackingsolutions.ca > > Have you made your donation to osflash or one of the projects you might > > be using yet? > > > > Evert > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Till, > > > > > > "BIG COOPERATE GARBAGE MACHINE" is not necessarily pointed at Adobe. > > > > Take it > > > > > as a generic term for ..., ..., ..., ..., fill in the blank. > > > > > > I never stated they were trying to take over the open source landscape. > > > > You > > > > > did. > > > > > > Ben Forta Adobe what? did you put the words Adobe in there? I don't see > > > > that > > > > > on the website. > > > > > > Tin hat? Hey everyone look at the crazy who asks questions! > > > > > > Hey the USS Liberty must have been attacked by Egypt how dare I think > > > it > > > > was > > > > > Israel. > > > > > > Sorry for questioning what looks fishy. I should have taken my place in > > > > line. > > > > > I will only speak when spoken to. Point taken Till. I see there are > > > > several > > > > > people out there that want to jump on me for questioning motives. > > > > > > Nothing strange here folks just keep on moving along. > > > > > > Hey I have an idea. Adobe support an already thriving community with > > > > support. > > > > > Take a bit of a helpers roll. (I am not talking about a couple of guys > > > posting projects from Adobe and answering a few questions). What about > > > throwing some funding towards OSFlash.org to see things grow there. Why > > > RIAForge. OSFlash is already doing a great job. I am sure that there is > > > > going > > > > > to be some that say this is just for the best. Well than OK. > > > > > > I now see why Richard Stallman gets so upset. > > > > > > On Thursday 19 October 2006 5:10 pm, Till Schneidereit wrote: > > >> Chris, > > >> > > >> I think you should either just let it go, or post some proof for your > > >> allegations. Or at least point out what lets you believe in some sort > > > > of > > > > >> conspiracy. And you'd have to do better than pointing out that the > > > > domain > > > > >> is owned by Adobe, because there wasn't ever any doubt about Adobe > > > > being > > > > >> involved in setting up RIAForge - hell, they even state right there on > > > > the > > > > >> "About" page that it was devised by (Adobe's) Ben Forta.[1] > > >> Concluding, > > > > I > > > > >> want to emphasize that I don't want to say that it's impossible that > > >> there's a "BIG COOPERATE GARBAGE MACHINE" devising devilish plans to > > > > take > > > > >> over the Flash open source landscape. I'm just saying that there > > >> really aren't any substantive signs for that being the case. Anyway, > > >> maybe you should keep your tinfoil hat on to prevent our new overlords > > >> from controlling you ;) > > >> > > >> cheers, > > >> till > > >> > > >> > > >> [1]: http://www.riaforge.org/index.cfm?event=page.about > > >> > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>> I have nothing against Adobe I actually think they have some really > > > > cool > > > > >>> software and they have started some great stuff. Just a little > > >>> strange that Ray would have to use their Domain created just > > >>> recently. It is > > > > not > > > > >>> like Ray was in the corner and Adobe had to bail him out with the > > >>> only domain available. > > >>> > > >>> If Adobe wants to start an Open Source thing up then say so. Don't > > > > hide > > > > >>> in the bushes and let Ray take any falls that are coming. > > >>> > > >>> I am sick of big corporate crap. I absolutely hate it. This just > > > > stinks > > > > >>> of some corporate board room meeting whose topic was "Dealing with > > >>> the Open Source Threat". > > >>> > > >>> People can say anything they want about it but I just can't stand the > > >>> garbage games. > > >>> > > >>> If people want to say lets just find ways to work together with them. > > >>> Well it is not a matter of working together with them. They need to > > > > work > > > > >>> together with us. What is more agreeable than an Open Source Project. > > > > No > > > > >>> one is ever saying we won't work with you. It is the "BIG COOPERATE > > >>> GARBAGE MACHINE" that wants to be fed. > > >>> > > >>> I run a business that has developed both closed and open source > > > > software. > > > > >>> I know what it is like while debating to launch your software, what > > >>> is the best license to use. Just stop it with the Microsoft/SCO > > >>> secret > > > > agent > > > > >>> games. I suppose it will never stop as long as money is involved. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Last thing... Good job to all you Open Source programmers. Without > > >>> you > > > > we > > > > >>> would be in a really bad computing state. I love Linux and Open > > >>> Source and am very greatfull for the way it has opened my eyes to > > >>> corporate evil. > > >>> > > >>> HEY THERE IS MORE TO LIFE THAN MONEY! > > >>> > > >>> Chris Cherrett > > >>> > > >>> On Thursday 19 October 2006 5:35 am, Peter Elst wrote: > > >>>> Its on the about page of RIAForge.com: > > >>>> > > >>>> <quote> RIAForge was the brainchild of Ben Forta. The principal > > >>>> developer for the project is Raymond Camden > > >>>> <http://ray.camdenfamily.com></quote> > > >>>> > > >>>> Domain name ownership has been brought up before, so what we owns > > >>>> the domain or runs the thing -- Adobe takes an open source > > >>>> initiative and all of a sudden its some conspiracy or an attempt to > > >>>> assassinate a community? > > >>>> > > >>>> Let's just find ways to work together. > > >>>> > > >>>> - Peter > > >>>> > > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>>>> by the way ray is suppose to be the guy who started riaforge. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Thursday 19 October 2006 5:24 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > >>>>>> Hey check out: > > >>>>>> http://ray.camdenfamily.com/ > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> then: > > >>>>>> http://www.riaforge.org > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> One looks like a quick install of a template and the other looks > > > > like > > > > >>>>>> a design team worked on it. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Too funny! > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Thursday 19 October 2006 5:19 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > >>>>>>> Whois is great! > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> And the verdict is Adobe! > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I was not really following the thread but if someone already > > >>>>>>> found this then sorry....... > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> osflash mailing list > > >>>> [email protected] > > >>>> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> osflash mailing list > > >>> [email protected] > > >>> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > osflash mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > osflash mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org _______________________________________________ osflash mailing list [email protected] http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org
