Hey Evert, Where is your reply?
On Thursday 19 October 2006 6:54 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You know I make most of my donating in secret due to religious beliefs. It > sucks to be questioned on my donating based on my asking why Adobe did not > contribute the time and financial efforts towards OSFlash. I think it is a > valid question. Why not OSFlash why RIAForge. For once it would be nice if > the corporate juggernauts would see guys like Aral. Why this Ray guy from > RIAForge. > > Why is asking questions bad? Who taught the people not to ask why? > > On Thursday 19 October 2006 6:45 pm, Martin Heidegger wrote: > > Sorry: Thats what I meant with fighting: Both arguments are > > ridiculus. > > > > Where is the connection between if he is supporting to if > > someone who is rich contributing? > > > > also > > > > Where do you see the that Adobe only wants to crush? > > > > Of course: They don't want to put money to something they > > can get for free: Nobody else in a corporation would do that > > (in my personal opinion this is A-grade unsocial but its the nature > > of corporate business). Just some weird idealists would do that > > might find this to be more appropriate. > > > > It is better than nothing that they try to make one of their guy getting > > some things done for the open source community. Its part of the > > public relations budget(or marketing?), can be calculated and brings > > a technical argument for a product (all products in certain case) and > > (almost forgot) adds internal knowhow. Everything reasonable from a > > decent point of view. > > > > What really annoys me about this page that there has been put > > effort into a public service without bringing together the people. This > > would have increased the value of the RIAForge, of osflash (ManPower is > > also a contribution) of Flash as platform (are there similar platforms > > for flex/cf/dw/etc.?) in general. Furthermore with a dialog you could > > have made RIAForge more anticipated better for use and maybe cheaper due > > to the fact that they could have got help from outside. And I think this > > is what most people feel. > > > > Anway: What do you aim? > > > > yours > > Martin. > > > > 2006/10/20, Evert | Rooftop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Besides, > > > > > > What are you contributing in the open source space, chris? > > > > > > Just been checking out your website: http://trackingsolutions.ca > > > Have you made your donation to osflash or one of the projects you might > > > be using yet? > > > > > > Evert > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Till, > > > > > > > > "BIG COOPERATE GARBAGE MACHINE" is not necessarily pointed at Adobe. > > > > > > Take it > > > > > > > as a generic term for ..., ..., ..., ..., fill in the blank. > > > > > > > > I never stated they were trying to take over the open source > > > > landscape. > > > > > > You > > > > > > > did. > > > > > > > > Ben Forta Adobe what? did you put the words Adobe in there? I don't > > > > see > > > > > > that > > > > > > > on the website. > > > > > > > > Tin hat? Hey everyone look at the crazy who asks questions! > > > > > > > > Hey the USS Liberty must have been attacked by Egypt how dare I think > > > > it > > > > > > was > > > > > > > Israel. > > > > > > > > Sorry for questioning what looks fishy. I should have taken my place > > > > in > > > > > > line. > > > > > > > I will only speak when spoken to. Point taken Till. I see there are > > > > > > several > > > > > > > people out there that want to jump on me for questioning motives. > > > > > > > > Nothing strange here folks just keep on moving along. > > > > > > > > Hey I have an idea. Adobe support an already thriving community with > > > > > > support. > > > > > > > Take a bit of a helpers roll. (I am not talking about a couple of > > > > guys posting projects from Adobe and answering a few questions). What > > > > about throwing some funding towards OSFlash.org to see things grow > > > > there. Why RIAForge. OSFlash is already doing a great job. I am sure > > > > that there is > > > > > > going > > > > > > > to be some that say this is just for the best. Well than OK. > > > > > > > > I now see why Richard Stallman gets so upset. > > > > > > > > On Thursday 19 October 2006 5:10 pm, Till Schneidereit wrote: > > > >> Chris, > > > >> > > > >> I think you should either just let it go, or post some proof for > > > >> your allegations. Or at least point out what lets you believe in > > > >> some sort > > > > > > of > > > > > > >> conspiracy. And you'd have to do better than pointing out that the > > > > > > domain > > > > > > >> is owned by Adobe, because there wasn't ever any doubt about Adobe > > > > > > being > > > > > > >> involved in setting up RIAForge - hell, they even state right there > > > >> on > > > > > > the > > > > > > >> "About" page that it was devised by (Adobe's) Ben Forta.[1] > > > >> Concluding, > > > > > > I > > > > > > >> want to emphasize that I don't want to say that it's impossible that > > > >> there's a "BIG COOPERATE GARBAGE MACHINE" devising devilish plans to > > > > > > take > > > > > > >> over the Flash open source landscape. I'm just saying that there > > > >> really aren't any substantive signs for that being the case. Anyway, > > > >> maybe you should keep your tinfoil hat on to prevent our new > > > >> overlords from controlling you ;) > > > >> > > > >> cheers, > > > >> till > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> [1]: http://www.riaforge.org/index.cfm?event=page.about > > > >> > > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >>> I have nothing against Adobe I actually think they have some really > > > > > > cool > > > > > > >>> software and they have started some great stuff. Just a little > > > >>> strange that Ray would have to use their Domain created just > > > >>> recently. It is > > > > > > not > > > > > > >>> like Ray was in the corner and Adobe had to bail him out with the > > > >>> only domain available. > > > >>> > > > >>> If Adobe wants to start an Open Source thing up then say so. Don't > > > > > > hide > > > > > > >>> in the bushes and let Ray take any falls that are coming. > > > >>> > > > >>> I am sick of big corporate crap. I absolutely hate it. This just > > > > > > stinks > > > > > > >>> of some corporate board room meeting whose topic was "Dealing with > > > >>> the Open Source Threat". > > > >>> > > > >>> People can say anything they want about it but I just can't stand > > > >>> the garbage games. > > > >>> > > > >>> If people want to say lets just find ways to work together with > > > >>> them. Well it is not a matter of working together with them. They > > > >>> need to > > > > > > work > > > > > > >>> together with us. What is more agreeable than an Open Source > > > >>> Project. > > > > > > No > > > > > > >>> one is ever saying we won't work with you. It is the "BIG COOPERATE > > > >>> GARBAGE MACHINE" that wants to be fed. > > > >>> > > > >>> I run a business that has developed both closed and open source > > > > > > software. > > > > > > >>> I know what it is like while debating to launch your software, what > > > >>> is the best license to use. Just stop it with the Microsoft/SCO > > > >>> secret > > > > > > agent > > > > > > >>> games. I suppose it will never stop as long as money is involved. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Last thing... Good job to all you Open Source programmers. Without > > > >>> you > > > > > > we > > > > > > >>> would be in a really bad computing state. I love Linux and Open > > > >>> Source and am very greatfull for the way it has opened my eyes to > > > >>> corporate evil. > > > >>> > > > >>> HEY THERE IS MORE TO LIFE THAN MONEY! > > > >>> > > > >>> Chris Cherrett > > > >>> > > > >>> On Thursday 19 October 2006 5:35 am, Peter Elst wrote: > > > >>>> Its on the about page of RIAForge.com: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> <quote> RIAForge was the brainchild of Ben Forta. The principal > > > >>>> developer for the project is Raymond Camden > > > >>>> <http://ray.camdenfamily.com></quote> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Domain name ownership has been brought up before, so what we owns > > > >>>> the domain or runs the thing -- Adobe takes an open source > > > >>>> initiative and all of a sudden its some conspiracy or an attempt > > > >>>> to assassinate a community? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Let's just find ways to work together. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> - Peter > > > >>>> > > > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >>>>> by the way ray is suppose to be the guy who started riaforge. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Thursday 19 October 2006 5:24 am, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > >>>>>> Hey check out: > > > >>>>>> http://ray.camdenfamily.com/ > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> then: > > > >>>>>> http://www.riaforge.org > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> One looks like a quick install of a template and the other looks > > > > > > like > > > > > > >>>>>> a design team worked on it. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Too funny! > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On Thursday 19 October 2006 5:19 am, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > >>>>>>> Whois is great! > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> And the verdict is Adobe! > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> I was not really following the thread but if someone already > > > >>>>>>> found this then sorry....... > > > >>>> > > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>> osflash mailing list > > > >>>> [email protected] > > > >>>> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > >>> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> osflash mailing list > > > >>> [email protected] > > > >>> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > osflash mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > osflash mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > _______________________________________________ > osflash mailing list > [email protected] > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org _______________________________________________ osflash mailing list [email protected] http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org
