Hi Joan,

The problems you describe look to most likely to be issues with
display listing of the geometries.  It could be that they are just
poorly conditioned datasets - one triangle per geometry is certainly
very very badly condidtioned and needs fixing to be able expect any
sensible performance level, or it could be that the models are simply
to big for the hardware/OGL driver to cope with.

There might also be possibility of error in the data such as a
primitive index that is invalid.

This is also just speculation though...

Robert.

On 8/16/07, Joan Slottow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jan
>
> I tested the latest vrml plugin on some larger files, real vrml files rather
> than the little test files that I sent you before.  I tested them with both
> osgviewer and vrNav2, my own program.   First, the problem with
> osgUtil::SceneView crashing in draw(  ) that I had before when I loaded the
> vrml files with vrNav2 is now gone, so that's good.  I notice, from looking at
> the resultant .osg files, that the vrml translation is introducing a rotation
> to turn the z of the model up.  vrNav2 already does that for all models so I
> added a test there not to do it for .wrl models it loads.  The first few
> models that I loaded worked fine.  Then I ran into a problem.  The problem
> seems to be related to the size or the number of Shapes in the vrml file.
> Also, it may be some kind of timing problem (in it taking too long to load the
> model).
>
> The problem manifests itself as follows: in osgviewr, the graphics screen
> comes up as a black screen and then turns into a screen with a blue background
> and the model appears.  With the ones that don't work, the screen remains
> black and you don't see the model. With vrNav2, vrjuggler is opening for me
> (using X Windows calls) a black graphics screen of size 640 by 480.  With the
> ones that don't work, I get a black graphics screen that fills the whole
> screen (not 640 x 480) and no model.  When it works, I get my 640 x 480
> graphics screen.  vrNav2 writes out the model's bounding box dimensions
> immediately after loading the model and this always happens.   Also, if I
> change the vrNav2 code so that immediately after loading the model it writes
> out the model in .osg format, the problem is gone and the program work and the
> problem.  But if immediately after loading the model, I just add some sleep, I
> am back to it not working.
>
> If I take a model that doesnt work but which has multiple Shapes, and divide
> it into .wrl files each with a single shape and load just a single Shape, it
> always works.  I can also take subsets of the Shapes and have it work.
>
> Here are 4 models:
>
>     waves.wrl   with 3 Shapes 3406099 bytes
>     isos2_2.wrl with 2 Shapes  883264 bytes
>     sigmoid.wrl with 6 Shapes  326260 bytes
>     vectors.wrl with 8 Shapes 3234335 bytes
>
> >From them I constructed the following: sigmoid1.wrl the first Shape from
> sigmoid.wrl, sigmoid2.wrl the second Shape, ... sigmoid6.wrl the sixth Shape,
> sigmoid1-3.wrl the first three Shapes, sigmoid1-4.wrl the first 4 shapes,
> sigmoid1-5.wrl the first 5 Shapes.  vectors1-4.wrl the first 4 Shapes from
> vectors.wrl, vectors1-5.wrl and vectors5-8.wrl etc.  waves1.wrl the first
> Shape from waves.wrl, also waves2.wrl, waves3.wrl and waves1-2.wrl.
>
> Here are the results:
>
>    model                     vrNav           osgviewer
>    ----------------------------------------------------
>    sigmoid                   black screen    black screen
>    any of sigmoid1 through
>      sigmoid6                works           works
>    sigmoid1-3                works           works
>    sigmoid1-4                works           black screen
>    sigmoid1-5                black screen    black screen
>
>    isos2_2                   works           works
>
>    waves                     black screen    works
>    waves1                    black screen    works
>    waves2                    works           works
>    waves3                    works           works
>    waves1-2                  black screen    black screen
>
>    vectors                   black screen    works
>    vectors1-4                works           works
>    vectors1-5                black screen    works
>    vectors5-8                works           works
>
> Anyway, I am not unhappy with this situation.  My goal is to be able to take
> vrml 2.0 files output by scientific visualization programs and turn them into
> models that can be loaded.  I can easily do this by following this procedure:
>
>    osconv whatever.wrl whatever.osg
>    edit whatever.osg and remove the matrix transform at the top
>    osconv whatever.osg whatever.ive
>
> Then I load the .ive file and that always works.
>
> I also tried writing a vrml 2.0 file from VMD a popular program used to
> visualize chemistry molecules.  That program wrote out an absolutely huge file
> with one Shape per triangle.  That file can't be loaded.  However, I can write
> a program to read in the vrml file as output by VMD and convert it to a more
> reasonable one that looks like the vrml files output by OpenDX.  I did some
> playing around with that and that will also work.
>
>
> Joan Slottow
>
>
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