Hi Terry, On 11/16/06, Terry Welsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There will probably be some refactoring on both OSG and Producer in the next week or two, which will cause compatibility issues briefly.
Refactoring the OSG is not on the cards in the near term. I am swamped with work, especially now Don's dropped support on the server side and forcing the project to find a new server, host and admin staff. Right now by absolute number one priority is holding the ship steady.
This is the nature of CVS; things don't always work but they get fixed eventually. Having everything working is what release versions are for. Once things settle out in a week or two I predict everything will work alright.
Indeed things will settle down in a week or two. But not with the old status quo, that simply is no longer possible.
Today I have seen creation of new mailing lists and talk of forking projects to keep everything working. I don't see any good coming from this. All that is likely to come from these actions is for people to take sides and form cliques. Who needs that?
Ok there a two separate things going on here. 1) Don's creation of Producer mailinglist is part of his separation from the OSG project. Don has resigned from supporting the project, not just on the server side, but across the board. This is Don's decision, its his project and his life. 2) The ideal of setting up osg-crew and osg-build predate any of these present problems. osg-crew is about having a group of engineers that take care of the wider OpenSceneGraph project, the idea of such a group has been around for well over a year, but crystallised at the Highland Gathering. This isn't an exclusive group, any one can volunteer and help out. This is very much part of the process of growing as a community, and widening the responsibility of keeping the project healthy out. Previously Don and I "partnered" on this high level guidance and gardening of the project, we were the secret and benevolent clique. Don and I relationship has deteriorated beyond repair, and has been especially difficult over the past year and a half. Don has filed for divorce and has separated with immediate effect. One era of the OSG is over, but a new era has began, an era where the community will have greater role in the project as while. This has got to be a healthy thing for the project, and osg-crew role is to restore and maintain that health. Right now Don's resignation and subsequent changes and direction that he's take with Producer do profoundly affect the running of the OpenSceneGraph project so bring osg-crew into being has been already critical in helping stabilise things. Things aren't yet stabilised, but we are on the right track. osg-build is also something that was discussed at the Highland Gathering and subsequently on the mailing list and seen as good thing.
For the good of the OSG/Producer community, how about if we keep this discussion on this mailing list (where it belongs) instead of creating new lists. And maybe we can take a few days to let some of these project changes settle in and get completed and not have any more knee-jerk reactions. May cooler heads prevail.....
Technical discussions certainly belong here. There are also good and bad times for general discussions. Right now discussion refactoring the OSG ad-nuseum is *not* useful. I have a HUGE HUGE workload. It's my job to stabilise the OpenSceneGraph project, put in systems in place to make sure that its healthy going forward and doesn't fall into the problems that beset us now. Its essential that we isolate the project from the changes outside my influence. Suggestions about refactoring huge chunks of the OSG to accommodate outside changes is incredibly easy to make, but much much harder to do. Its also done without any wider context to where the projects should be going. Yes these discussions need to happen, but not now, not till the server is up and running, not till my work load has come down to sensible and manageable levels. Its time to stop such idle discussion and get on with job of helping stabilising the project as it is, such discussions are counter productive at this present time, we need to spend out time getting the ship sea worthy, not talking about distant shores. Robert. _______________________________________________ osg-users mailing list [email protected] http://openscenegraph.net/mailman/listinfo/osg-users http://www.openscenegraph.org/
