Tim, You're right about live code deployment being possible with Eclipse + Bndtools + Gradle. I should have qualified my statement: I'm using a build setup that is a standard Gradle project structure (non-Bnd workspace), because I didn't want to have to adopt the Bnd workspace model. Over on the bndtools list, Raymond Auge indicated that live code deployment isn't supported in Eclipse with a standard Gradle project structure.
Stephen On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 11:04 AM Tim Ward <tim.w...@paremus.com> wrote: > Interestingly this is the opposite conclusion that most people come to. > Until recently Bndtools did not support Maven at all and was 100% Gradle. > There has been a lot of work to bring Maven support up to the same level as > Gradle by the team, but I don’t think that many of us would say that Maven > support was at parity yet, let alone better. > > You absolutely do get live code deployment when using Bndtools + Gradle > (Maven only recently got this feature and Gradle has had it for years). > Live baselining in Eclipse is still only available with Gradle, as are the > quick-fixes for lots of bed-detected problems. > > You are correct that IntelliJ is more Maven-focussed, but that is because > it doesn’t have additional plugins like Bndtools, so you’re just getting > the support they have for Maven. > > When it comes to Karaf, that isn’t really part of Bndtools. The Karaf > project has always been heavily Maven-based, and so if you want to use > their tools then Maven is probably the way to go. > > All the best, > > Tim > > On 25 Jul 2019, at 14:31, Stephen Schaub via osgi-dev < > osgi-dev@mail.osgi.org> wrote: > > A brief follow-up to this thread, after another month into my project: > > I have found that although Gradle will work fine as a build tool for OSGi, > it does seem that Maven is better supported for OSGi development in > Eclipse. For example, the Eclipse bndtools plugins support live code > deployment if you're using Maven, but not Gradle. I have also seen a post > describing doing live code deployment from IDEA that requires Maven. So, I > conclude that Maven is definitely preferred over Gradle when it comes to > OSGi IDE tooling. > > Also, although there is a Gradle plugin for generating kar archives for > Karaf, I have encountered issues using it with current versions of Gradle. > > Finally, many OSGi examples I find online seem to be using Maven rather > than Gradle as the build tool. > > These issues have not caused me to abandon Gradle, because I prefer it to > Maven, and I am grateful that the bnd project continues to have great > support for Gradle. However, overall, I am left with the impression that > there is better support for Maven than for Gradle in the broader OSGi > ecosystem. > > Stephen > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:11 AM Stephen Schaub <ssch...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks to all for the helpful responses. I was concerned about using >> Gradle as a build tool because so many OSGi resources I was finding seemed >> to be using Maven, and the change of enRoute docs from Gradle to Maven >> seemed to communicate a move away from Gradle as a "preferred" build tool. >> But given that Maven still seems to be the dominant build tool in the Java >> world, I can understand the rationale for transitioning enRoute from Gradle >> to Maven. Also, I can understand that maintaining both Maven and Gradle >> versions of enRoute would be a burden. >> >> Stephen >> >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 4:28 PM Stephen Schaub <ssch...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I'm new to OSGi and am starting a project. I found the enRoute material >>> and noticed that the enRoute tutorials apparently at one time utilized >>> Gradle as the build tool, but are now using Maven. >>> >>> I'm more familiar with Gradle and have worked out how to use Gradle to >>> do what I need for the project, but I was wondering 1) why the switch from >>> Gradle to Maven for enRoute and 2) is Maven the preferred build tool for >>> OSGi going forward? Is there a reason I should consider switching to Maven? >>> >>> I've poked through the mailing list archives trying to find answers to >>> these questions but can't seem to find a record of any discussions about >>> this, so am hoping someone can shed some light for me. >>> >>> -- >>> Stephen Schaub >>> >> >> >> > > -- > Stephen Schaub > _______________________________________________ > OSGi Developer Mail List > osgi-dev@mail.osgi.org > https://mail.osgi.org/mailman/listinfo/osgi-dev > > > -- Stephen Schaub
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