On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 11:24 AM Stephen Schaub via osgi-dev < osgi-dev@mail.osgi.org> wrote:
> Over on the bndtools list, Raymond Auge indicated that live code > deployment isn't supported in Eclipse with a standard Gradle project > structure. > Yet! :) but it's not too far away I would think. - Ray > > Stephen > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 11:04 AM Tim Ward <tim.w...@paremus.com> wrote: > >> Interestingly this is the opposite conclusion that most people come to. >> Until recently Bndtools did not support Maven at all and was 100% Gradle. >> There has been a lot of work to bring Maven support up to the same level as >> Gradle by the team, but I don’t think that many of us would say that Maven >> support was at parity yet, let alone better. >> >> You absolutely do get live code deployment when using Bndtools + Gradle >> (Maven only recently got this feature and Gradle has had it for years). >> Live baselining in Eclipse is still only available with Gradle, as are the >> quick-fixes for lots of bed-detected problems. >> >> You are correct that IntelliJ is more Maven-focussed, but that is because >> it doesn’t have additional plugins like Bndtools, so you’re just getting >> the support they have for Maven. >> >> When it comes to Karaf, that isn’t really part of Bndtools. The Karaf >> project has always been heavily Maven-based, and so if you want to use >> their tools then Maven is probably the way to go. >> >> All the best, >> >> Tim >> >> On 25 Jul 2019, at 14:31, Stephen Schaub via osgi-dev < >> osgi-dev@mail.osgi.org> wrote: >> >> A brief follow-up to this thread, after another month into my project: >> >> I have found that although Gradle will work fine as a build tool for >> OSGi, it does seem that Maven is better supported for OSGi development in >> Eclipse. For example, the Eclipse bndtools plugins support live code >> deployment if you're using Maven, but not Gradle. I have also seen a post >> describing doing live code deployment from IDEA that requires Maven. So, I >> conclude that Maven is definitely preferred over Gradle when it comes to >> OSGi IDE tooling. >> >> Also, although there is a Gradle plugin for generating kar archives for >> Karaf, I have encountered issues using it with current versions of Gradle. >> >> Finally, many OSGi examples I find online seem to be using Maven rather >> than Gradle as the build tool. >> >> These issues have not caused me to abandon Gradle, because I prefer it to >> Maven, and I am grateful that the bnd project continues to have great >> support for Gradle. However, overall, I am left with the impression that >> there is better support for Maven than for Gradle in the broader OSGi >> ecosystem. >> >> Stephen >> >> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:11 AM Stephen Schaub <ssch...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks to all for the helpful responses. I was concerned about using >>> Gradle as a build tool because so many OSGi resources I was finding seemed >>> to be using Maven, and the change of enRoute docs from Gradle to Maven >>> seemed to communicate a move away from Gradle as a "preferred" build tool. >>> But given that Maven still seems to be the dominant build tool in the Java >>> world, I can understand the rationale for transitioning enRoute from Gradle >>> to Maven. Also, I can understand that maintaining both Maven and Gradle >>> versions of enRoute would be a burden. >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 4:28 PM Stephen Schaub <ssch...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm new to OSGi and am starting a project. I found the enRoute material >>>> and noticed that the enRoute tutorials apparently at one time utilized >>>> Gradle as the build tool, but are now using Maven. >>>> >>>> I'm more familiar with Gradle and have worked out how to use Gradle to >>>> do what I need for the project, but I was wondering 1) why the switch from >>>> Gradle to Maven for enRoute and 2) is Maven the preferred build tool for >>>> OSGi going forward? Is there a reason I should consider switching to Maven? >>>> >>>> I've poked through the mailing list archives trying to find answers to >>>> these questions but can't seem to find a record of any discussions about >>>> this, so am hoping someone can shed some light for me. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Stephen Schaub >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Stephen Schaub >> _______________________________________________ >> OSGi Developer Mail List >> osgi-dev@mail.osgi.org >> https://mail.osgi.org/mailman/listinfo/osgi-dev >> >> >> > > -- > Stephen Schaub > _______________________________________________ > OSGi Developer Mail List > osgi-dev@mail.osgi.org > https://mail.osgi.org/mailman/listinfo/osgi-dev -- *Raymond Augé* <http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile> (@rotty3000) Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <http://www.liferay.com> (@Liferay) Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <http://osgi.org> (@OSGiAlliance)
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