Michael thank you so much for all you have done and are doing. Because of
you so many of us had a historical treasure trove of virtual conversations
with questions, dialogues and debates that are as relevant today as they
were when they were first posted. And Harold thank you so much for all this
technical behind the scenes expertise you are providing always looking for
solutions that reflect the self-organizing spirit of our collaborative
comminity.
Suzanne an appreciative beneficiary of all this hard work.
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From: Michael Herman <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, Jan 1, 1970 00:00:00 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: oslist will end soon -- it's time to deliberate, decide and act
looking back at what harold sent earlier, it seems that the option he's
proposing is one way to go forward with a new, manageable, cost-free and
ad-free(!) conversation. the archive part is included, but only as a
separate part, meaning the new messages won't hit the old archive. we'd
have an old archive and then start growing a new one, nearby. so the best
option is still to find another "listserv" user/customer to host our list.
harold's option, as he's noted, is a second choice -- but i'd say it's an
excellent one.
if we find another listserv host, we'll do pretty much nothing. the old
guys will send all our stuff to the new guys, or maybe i'll be in teh middle
of that, doing very complicated things like opening the envelope,
repackaging and mailing to the new guys. if we go with harold's solution,
we'll need him and perhaps others to do some techie things to make the
archive work as an add-on (stand beside, i think) to the new list.
as for harold's question about my continuing to support, i am glad to help
get this set up, but i'm not likely qualified to do anything very
technical. and going forward, i'd prefer to have others step into the list
sheparding tasks (small as they might be). i have one query out to a
possible host, and if that host materializes, then i will stay on to support
that connection. otherwise, i hope others will take this on.
m
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On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Harold Shinsato <[email protected]> wrote:
Michael,
This is just me talking - but I'm fairly certain that the board would be
happy to support this for free if the community wanted it. Hopefully you
might still be willing to handle some of the admin stuff - I don't know
who
is doing what for the current OSList serve. But I think it does take a
little attention to moderate new subscribers to avoid spammers - that
would
be true for a Google group too.
I definitely agree with you it would be best to move to another list serve
style service - and to port the archives to the new system - it is best if
all the archives would be in one place - not multiple. I've done searches
on
the archives in the past trying to get ideas about specific topics. It
might
get tricky for folks to have to work with two different search places.
Even though Google groups are attractive - it would feel odd seeing Google
ads at the bottom of all our OSList emails in the future. And using Google
gives them a non-expiring license to anything you write - so you lose
quite
a few rights with a free Google service.
Cheers,
Harold
On 12/1/10 11:53 AM, Michael Herman wrote:
this sounds great, harold. osi-us could get us into the free deal?
do you agree that best option is to migrate to another listserv host and,
failing that, fall back to this option?
m
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http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
312-280-7838 (mobile)
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Harold Shinsato
<[email protected]>wrote:
Hi Michael,
Thanks for all your research on this. There's another option to consider.
The Open Space Institute for the US has managed to start using the free
and
open source list serve software that runs and looks almost exactly like
the
current ListServe for free using a generous web hosting company that
gives
out web host services to U.S. 501(c)(3) organizations.
It takes very little administration - as the Web Hosting company provides
a one click install for the "Mailman" program, which is the List Serve
software which is widely used:
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html
And there is even a path to maintain the logs for browsing and searching
in a similar way to how they are searchable and browsable now. It would
take
a little techie work - but I'd be happy to help with that.
Even if we didn't want get help from a current 501(c)(3) organization
(which would make it free) going with this kind of solution would only
cost
about $100 US a year.
Harold
On 12/1/10 10:47 AM, Michael Herman wrote:
1. the oslist will cease to exist in its current form not later than june
of next year.
2. boise state is migrating their own lists to googlegroups
3. boise state is NOT migrating any archives (so we're on our own with
that)
4. our archives will be delivered to us on a single CD
5. they will be in the form of 150 monthly log files (roughly, 12 months
x
12 years)
6. these monthly files can be read easily in any text editor
7. they can be read less easily when opened directly in a web browser
application
8. the BEST way to keep the archives and the list going is another l-soft
listserv host org
9. finding another listserv host organization is something anyone can
help
with... now!
10. we already have [email protected] set up, so that's available
if/when we want to use it
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