That makes sense... So as I understand it plan A is to have someone associated with an institution tat runs listservs (probably a university) agree to take on the hosting that Boise has done. If that works out, it's an easy matter to port all of the stuff over.
PLan B is Harold's option. Thumbs up to that. I'm not associated with a university, but will put out the call on my network. Chris ---- Chris Corrigan [email protected] http://www.chriscorrigan.com On 2010-12-01, at 1:16 PM, Michael Herman wrote: > looking back at what harold sent earlier, it seems that the option he's > proposing is one way to go forward with a new, manageable, cost-free and > ad-free(!) conversation. the archive part is included, but only as a > separate part, meaning the new messages won't hit the old archive. we'd have > an old archive and then start growing a new one, nearby. so the best option > is still to find another "listserv" user/customer to host our list. harold's > option, as he's noted, is a second choice -- but i'd say it's an excellent > one. > > if we find another listserv host, we'll do pretty much nothing. the old guys > will send all our stuff to the new guys, or maybe i'll be in teh middle of > that, doing very complicated things like opening the envelope, repackaging > and mailing to the new guys. if we go with harold's solution, we'll need him > and perhaps others to do some techie things to make the archive work as an > add-on (stand beside, i think) to the new list. > > as for harold's question about my continuing to support, i am glad to help > get this set up, but i'm not likely qualified to do anything very technical. > and going forward, i'd prefer to have others step into the list sheparding > tasks (small as they might be). i have one query out to a possible host, and > if that host materializes, then i will stay on to support that connection. > otherwise, i hope others will take this on. > > m > > > > > > -- > > Michael Herman > Michael Herman Associates > > http://MichaelHerman.com > http://RonanParkTrail.com > http://ManorNeighbors.com > http://ChicagoConservationCorps.org > http://OpenSpaceWorld.org > > 312-280-7838 (mobile) > > > On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Harold Shinsato <[email protected]> wrote: > Michael, > > This is just me talking - but I'm fairly certain that the board would be > happy to support this for free if the community wanted it. Hopefully you > might still be willing to handle some of the admin stuff - I don't know who > is doing what for the current OSList serve. But I think it does take a little > attention to moderate new subscribers to avoid spammers - that would be true > for a Google group too. > > I definitely agree with you it would be best to move to another list serve > style service - and to port the archives to the new system - it is best if > all the archives would be in one place - not multiple. I've done searches on > the archives in the past trying to get ideas about specific topics. It might > get tricky for folks to have to work with two different search places. > > Even though Google groups are attractive - it would feel odd seeing Google > ads at the bottom of all our OSList emails in the future. And using Google > gives them a non-expiring license to anything you write - so you lose quite a > few rights with a free Google service. > > Cheers, > Harold > > > On 12/1/10 11:53 AM, Michael Herman wrote: >> this sounds great, harold. osi-us could get us into the free deal? >> >> do you agree that best option is to migrate to another listserv host and, >> failing that, fall back to this option? >> >> m >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Michael Herman >> Michael Herman Associates >> >> http://MichaelHerman.com >> http://RonanParkTrail.com >> http://ManorNeighbors.com >> http://ChicagoConservationCorps.org >> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org >> >> 312-280-7838 (mobile) >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Harold Shinsato <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi Michael, >> >> Thanks for all your research on this. There's another option to consider. >> The Open Space Institute for the US has managed to start using the free and >> open source list serve software that runs and looks almost exactly like the >> current ListServe for free using a generous web hosting company that gives >> out web host services to U.S. 501(c)(3) organizations. >> >> It takes very little administration - as the Web Hosting company provides a >> one click install for the "Mailman" program, which is the List Serve >> software which is widely used: >> >> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html >> >> And there is even a path to maintain the logs for browsing and searching in >> a similar way to how they are searchable and browsable now. It would take a >> little techie work - but I'd be happy to help with that. >> >> Even if we didn't want get help from a current 501(c)(3) organization (which >> would make it free) going with this kind of solution would only cost about >> $100 US a year. >> >> Harold >> >> >> On 12/1/10 10:47 AM, Michael Herman wrote: >>> >>> >>> 1. the oslist will cease to exist in its current form not later than june >>> of next year. >>> 2. boise state is migrating their own lists to googlegroups >>> 3. boise state is NOT migrating any archives (so we're on our own with that) >>> 4. our archives will be delivered to us on a single CD >>> 5. they will be in the form of 150 monthly log files (roughly, 12 months x >>> 12 years) >>> 6. these monthly files can be read easily in any text editor >>> 7. they can be read less easily when opened directly in a web browser >>> application >>> 8. the BEST way to keep the archives and the list going is another l-soft >>> listserv host org >>> 9. finding another listserv host organization is something anyone can help >>> with... now! >>> 10. we already have [email protected] set up, so that's available >>> if/when we want to use it >> >> >> -- >> Harold Shinsato >> [email protected] >> http://shinsato.com >> twitter: @hajush >> >> * * ========================================================== >> [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, >> unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >> [email protected]: >> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about >> OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist > > > -- > Harold Shinsato > [email protected] > http://shinsato.com > twitter: @hajush > > * * ========================================================== > [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, > unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of > [email protected]: > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about > OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of [email protected]: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist
