Hi John,

I wonder what kind of group your report of the [prescriptive gathering] is describing.

I wonder if it is:

 * an open-to-the-public event; like a conference, or
 * a community-type gathering; like people in a community of practice,  or
 * an event inside a business org, like a corporation.


Regards,
Daniel


On 11/13/14 12:46 AM, John Baxter via OSList wrote:
So where are all the examples of failures to open space against the tide? Who has those?
They're the ones we can really learn from...


A couple come to mind, essentially the same, not quite failure, but non-events at least, that reflect the story that I mentioned earlier...

A small handful of people were fed up with a prescriptive gathering.... mostly as a sense of lost potential.
Opportunity was taken to raise this concern with the whole group.
The organisers tweaked somewhat in response, but ultimately in a way that did little to address the confines of the format. (In both cases, the organisers had planned in 'open space' working time towards the end of the event.) That absorbed the energy for rebellion. And in fact it meant those groups of dissidents spent more time sharing frustrations in what little space we could find, than actually getting down to work as we so desired.

What didn't work
a. Raising dissent about the formal structure without either a concrete plan of action, or sufficient space for a group to self-organise to create one... And also when most fellow participants are probably quite happy with the status quo. (Reflecting on this thread, perhaps the better response would have been focusing not on changing the existing structure, but on extending an invitation to others from the group to work within the gaps of that structure to have the conversations that mattered.)

b. Tacking on a little bit of open space (1-3 hours) to the end of a prescriptive gathering. We know this is a bad idea, but it is interesting how this then absorbs the energy for self organisation.




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On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Suzanne Daigle <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    John, some years ago I opened space in the middle of a 3 day
    conference. National Alliance of Arts and Culture... 350 people in
    a fancy hotel in Boston. No possibility of creating circle of
    chairs but at least we had a market place wall. I opened the space
    by inviting people to create a circle in their mind. Quite
    surprising that it all worked. People were in their sessions
    within the hour, super engrossed to the point where many skipped
    lunch.Topics got added over the course of the conference.
    Breakouts self-organized in unusual places with notes posted on
    walls to meet at the bar or at breakfast. Was not ideal but it
    seemed to work
    Enough that they created an adapted monthly or bimonthly open
    space like conference call for a year or two after. I was not
    involved.
    The sponsors were pleased and the participants were engaged. Not
    what I prefer but if I had to do it over again, I totally would.
    Suzanne

    On Nov 12, 2014 7:38 PM, "John Baxter via OSList"
    <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        Thank you everyone for your examples... I love the
        demonstrations of Open Space incorporated symbiotically into
        the structure of a more formal event.  It is making me rethink
        what is possible with gatherings... there is strong pressure
        to have prescriptive formal structures even when everyone
        agrees that open space is really needed... so I very much like
        the idea of generative symbiotic combinations.

        I'm curious about the Official Story that Open Space doesn't
        work in parallel.  Can anyone speak to that?

        I look at Open Space Technology in this context as an attempt
        to bring open space from the background or the cracks of a
        prescriptive structure, into the foreground.  So it should not
        be surprising at all that those cracks can be expanded and
        built upon with OST??

        Thanks


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        On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList
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        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            The Open Jam events at the Agile 20xx conferences have
            increasingly been the place where (at least in my opinion)
            the cool things happen. Even though the official story is
            that Open Space doesn't work in parallel, and I've
            definitely seen it work horribly in a software conference
            attempting to put OST in parallel - the Agile Software
            community seems to really enjoy hanging out in this space
            and holding interesting sessions on the fringes of a very
            well populated main track. Even though it's not "official
            OST", it's very Open Space like.

            Thanks to the Agile 20xx conference folks, and to you
            Diane, for having this as a constant feature in my Agile
            20xx experience!

                Regards,
                Harold



            On 11/12/14 3:16 PM, Diana Larsen via OSList wrote:
            One more story:

            Since 2008,, every year at the Agile 20xx conference
            there has been an area called "Open Jam" (in homage to a
            now defunct Music Festival analogy). It's usually
            prominently located near the main traffic patterns of the
            conference and arranged with a variety of sub-areas
            variously décor-ed with chairs of different kinds, some
            tables, some not, flip charts, markers and other supplies
            for easy access, etc.

            The "Open Jam" offers an opportunity each morning of the
            five-day conference to propose new,
            not-on-the-formal-program sessions that will run
            throughout the day. It's right out in the Open, not sub
            rosa at all, and for some attendees, it's the best part
            of the conference. Every year different folks step up to
            organize it with a very light touch.

            Beyond the Open Jam, the conference organizers work with
            the new venue to emphasize the importance of a variety of
            seating + small conversation areas throughout the
            facility. People use them a lot, and at some times of day
            it can be hard to find a free one.

            It's an acknowledgement of the "always open" nature of
            spaces.

            Diana



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            On Nov 12, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Brendan McKeague via OSList
            <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            A wee story of

            Last year at a 200-participant (tables of 8) conference,
            myself and a colleague Peter Wilde (with the blessing of
            the organisers) offered an 'alternative' space to the
            mainstream process.

            We introduced the notion of 'self-organising'
            conversations at the beginning of the conference and set
            up a 'market place' for offering/requesting
            conversations during the breaks and alongside the
            afternoon pre-planned workshop sessions. The market
            place was on a wall in the main meeting area and people
            were invited to go along at anytime and post their
            topic, indicating where they would meet to host their
            conversations. Needless to say, these conversations
            started at the right time, at the right place and
            continued until they were over...

            It was a practical way to provide meeting spaces for
            those who wished to connect with others - and it worked.

            Cheers
            Brendan


            On 12/11/2014, at 4:37 PM, Jeff Aitken via OSList wrote:

            I remember that story Michael! Some year afterward,
            John Abbe came
            south from Eugene and we cofacilitated a two day
            'recent changes camp'
            outside and inside of the Social Text offices in Palo
            Alto. Folks from
            Europe were there too.

            Jeff

            On 11/11/14, Michael Herman via OSList
            <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
            first, to paul, yes i've definitely done as you say.
             was a very small
            group of us, not a conference but a "team meeting"
            held too late in the day
            and made everyone ripe for some harmless mutiny.  i
            led the charge or made
            the suggestion, and the next day we did the team
            meeting in open space.  we
            put up 8 issues, discussed only 3, and the next weekly
            meeting looked like
            all the previous ones, except that the team leader's
            agenda was really just
            an ongoing updating of our original 8 issues, which
            were the answer to "how
            do we get this project finished successfully?"
             mission accomplished.

            next, to the main question...

            some years ago, ted ernst (who some here will
            remember) and some other
            friends got excited about wiki websites.  they met up
            in portland, drove to
            seattle to pick up others, then drove all the way to
            san diego, using
            *part* of the minivan windshield as an open space
            bulletin board,
            discussing all the way, to a symposium called wikisym.

            when they got there, this merry band made themselves
            stickers that said
            "ask me about open space."  as they met folks, they
            told the story and made
            more stickers.  pretty soon everyone knew about open
            space, a bulletin
            board was created on a wall in a hallway, sessions
            went up and started
            happening.  the conference organizers came to the
            merry band and asked them
            nicely not to wreck the conference.  since wrecking
            was not the intention,
            it was all worked out.

            part of that is that the organizers asked ted to
            facilitate open space at
            the next symposium and make it official, so to speak.
             another part was
            that some of the merry band, having been teased by
            these first attempts,
            wanted to see what happened in a full-blown 2.5 days.
             so they organized
            "recent changes camp" which itself sparked a bunch of
            other gatherings.

            gerard muller can maybe say more about the follow-on
            from the wikisym in
            open space, as it was in denmark or nearby and i think
            he ended up working
            with ted on that one.

            m


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            On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 9:32 PM, John Baxter via OSList <
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            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            I hosted an 'Elephants' Gathering' at a conference
            once upon a time.

            I knew there were people there I wanted to talk to,
            but the program was
            of
            little interest.

            I didn't try to compete with the mainstream agenda, I
            put it in the
            evening.

            Nobody had any intent on the formalities of Open
            Space, but it was indeed
            an open space, and the right people came (far less
            than I thought would
            come, but all the ones I wanted to talk to!).

            Someone (Eisenstein?) wrote a post recently, I think
            posted here, about
            trying to subvert the structure of a conference and
            being beaten down.
            My
            interpretation of events obviously...

            The right people can always be found in the cracks
            (at the bar, the
            coffee
            station etc).  Some of them might need an invitation.

            I don't think it's appropriate to force Open Space on
            the others in a
            gathering who have little interest.
            Good on anyone that makes the call that Open Space is
            right for everyone
            and goes with it.  But I fear that may likely more
            driven by ego than
            care
            (e.g the above dramatisation).

            Good discussion!


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            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            yeah,  indeed flash mob Open Space always a great
             possibility.  Thanks,
            Skye

            On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Royle, Karl via
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            Great!

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            On 11 Nov 2014, at 20:51, "paul levy via OSList" <
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            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            <http://rationalmadness.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/w3.jpg>
            <http://rationalmadness.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/w3.jpg>

            I wonder if anyone reading this has experiences to
            share of what I am
            about to describe. Most published stories of open
            space tend to go by
            the
            book. The book is often referred to as the *user *
            <http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm>
            <http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm>*guide*
            <http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm>
            <http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm>",
            and it tends towards
            a process that is largely based on an* instruction
            manual*
            
<http://elementaleducation.com/wp-content/uploads/temp/OpenSpaceTechnology--UsersGuide.pdf>
            
<http://elementaleducation.com/wp-content/uploads/temp/OpenSpaceTechnology--UsersGuide.pdf>.
            Dogmatic application manual can then lead, in my
            humble opinion, not to
            one
            less thing to do, but often one more thing to do.
            These are "guides"
            not
            rules, and that is the spirit in which they were
            written. In many
            cases,
            the user guide proves remarkably resilient and
            applicable. Yet there is
            always the next moment, the new story, the moment
            that needs something
            playful.

            There's a lot in the manual (and the many trainings
            that have come into
            being from it) about sponsors and invitations, and
            the things that need
            to
            be done before an Open Space to ensure the open
            spacer er... opens space.
            I
            have no difficulty with the manual. It's full of
            good advice and is the
            foundation you might just need to open some space.
            But, hey, what about
            this... I'm at a company away day that is looking
            at product innovation.
            It
            is business critical, and it is floundering.
            Powerpoint after
            Powerpoint
            has resulted in a stifled audience, and when they
            get to breakout
            sessions,
            the flipcharts look empty, the energy is low, and
            it all looks a bit
            too
            quiet. There's a feeling in the room that the event
            is dying on its
            feet.
            Several sessions are lost in badly facilitated
            action planning. I am on
            the
            team and the lead facilitator looks to me for any
            ideas. It must be
            because
            I am silent and looking knowing and wise.

            Actually I'm seething inside at this
            over-facilitated, over-designed,
            overplanned conference crash. Do you mind if I... I
            ask, a bit pompously
            and
            the lead facilitator is up for whatever help he can
            get. I leap up, and
            step into the mess. I have a loud voice and it
            can't get any worse than
            this. An idea has just occurred to me and I decide
            to hurl it into the
            cluttered room. "Er, hey." I roar. "Why don't we
            open some space?" I'm
            loud. It goes silent.

            This is what I say: "This is crap isn't it?"
            Silence. "Can everyone
            bring their chairs and let's get into a big circle.
            Tuts, irritation,
            doubt
            and mostly relief. Two minutes later there's a big
            circle.

            I introduce open space in about four minutes and
            quickly crab some flip
            chart paper and tack it to the wall, creating four
            corners at new
            breakout
            spaces.

            I ask people to take their chairs with them and,
            within about ten
            minutes we have a whole bunch of different
            sessions, many based around
            action.

            The bosses in the room are gobsmacked.

            We have a two hour open space until wrap up and
            there's a huge buzz in
            the room from this pop-up open space.

            The invite was improvised and spontaneous.

            The space opened because it wanted and needed to.
            It popped up and out
            as if it were the most natural thing in the world.
            It transformed the
            day
            and sent the clutter fleeing for cover. It was done
            without fuss and
            chairs
            from the main circle quickly went into breakout and
            back again. The
            facilitator team were edgy because they felt they
            were supposed to be
            doing
            something and I dragged them away for coffee. We
            chatted a bit about
            "emergence" and I was looked on as if I'd done some
            kind of magic. I
            was
            young and enjoyed the attention. I was also looked
            as as if I was a bit
            weird. Well, I am a bit weird. I do wonder if
            pop-up open space could
            and
            should happen a lot more.

            A lot of open spacers I know loved improvisation
            and spontaneity, yet
            when it comes to open space are a bit locked in the
            process in the book
            of
            instructions -- the manual that tends to overplay
            the "prep" for the
            event.
            So, I'm waving a flag for pop-up, guerilla open
            space. Why not open
            some
            space even for the process of open space? Let's
            shimmy it a little and
            see
            what falls out.

            "Flash mob" open space has, I think, a big future.
            My intuition tells
            me
            a fair number of facilitators have done it, and a
            fair few of them
            haven't
            reported it, telling instead there more
            "responsible" by-the-book open
            space stories. But why not? Why not open some space
            on the spur of the
            moment? The invite is still there -it just takes a
            hell of a lot
            shorter.
            The opportunity is always there where an
            over-organised event is
            disappearing up its own proverbial...

            It is also there in an event that has some inbuilt
            flexibility. Why not
            throw some open space into the flexible mix? But
            best of all, why not
            open
            space when space is there to be open?
            Self-organisation is often crying
            out
            for a chance in the midst of failing over-organisation.

            So, here's to some more pop-up open space...
            On 11 Nov 2014 19:59, "Peggy Holman via OSList" <
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            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            Hi all,

            I got the query below from my friend Tom Atlee. It
            seemed like a
            great question for the list. Since Tom isn't on
            it, I told him that
            I'd
            forward any responses.

            appreciatively,
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            *Date: *November 10, 2014 at 12:51:54 PM PST
            *Subject: **Guerilla Open Space?*
            *To: *Peggy Holman <[email protected]>
            <mailto:[email protected]>

            Hi Peggy,

            Thinking about the NCDD conference, I got the idea
            for "guerilla Open
            Space" to be used in conferences where you want to
            open the space in
            the
            middle of a too-organized gathering.  It would
            involve a central
            website
            with instructions on what to do and why.  It would
            involve passing out
            cards with messages like "Is there something that
            you'd really like to
            talk
            about or do here that the agenda here is
            preventing you from talking
            about
            or doing?"  "Would you like to be learning,
            contributing, and having
            more
            fun here?" with the web address on it.  Tweets
            might also be used.
            Then,
            on the main website it would tell people about how
            to do a guerilla
            open
            space, referring them perhaps to meetup.com
            <http://meetup.com> to arrange places to talk.

            Or something like that.  Have you heard of such
             thing before?  Do you
            have any thoughts/responses?

            Hugs,
            Tom




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