Ditto re 2t. Thanks, All.
John -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eva P Svensson Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: SV: An OS "critique" and response Hi there, I wonder if someone would be so kind to explain what 2t or second-tier and meme as in green meme means? :o) Eva Bästa hälsningar Eva P Svensson EPS Human Invest AB "Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående företag och organisationer!" Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil: 0706-89 85 50 [email protected], www.epshumaninvest.se -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] För Karen Sella Skickat: den 27 augusti 2005 07:58 Till: [email protected] Ämne: Re: An OS "critique" and response I would too! Although I realize that many folks consider 2t to be flourishing in their circles, as I recently wrote to a friend: "Right now, it often seems that "second-tier" is merely a seed that may or may not have the conditions for existence, but it's a seed worth planting and cultivating as best we can until more favorable conditions exist. What we learn through each attempt to grow this little seed helps us create those necessary conditions for its eventual thriving...makes me think of trees...how they often sprout up regardless of whether or not we're tending, but tending can contribute so much to their growth..." That said, my intention isn't to cultivate 2t but rather to pay attention to the most meaningful, inspired intentions folks have for themselves and offer whatever methods and resources I can to assist folks in realizing these... I figure that if folks are leading meaningful, authentic lives, 2t will pretty much take care of itself... Regarding 2t methods as perceived within the integral/sdi community, aside from meditation, Big Mind, and various methods emphasizing (trans)personal development, there seems to be a real dearth of "2t" methods either espoused or practiced within the integral/SDi community, and many folks are hungering for practical applications, which is why I introduced Open Space in the first place, since I happen to think that OS is founded on 2t principles even if the folks in attendance may not always have the capacity to realize or recognize 2t... Of course, I haven't attended any of the workshops offered by Integral Institute (www.integralinstitute.org), and haven't been following the Integral Naked (www.integralnaked.org) conversations either, so it's possible that there are existing methods that are perceived as 2t, or methods in development of which I am unaware. If I learn of any, I'll pass these along...and likewise, please if you or anyone is aware of any, I'd be interested to learn about these. Warm regards, Karen Karen Sella www.luminacoaching.com 206.780.2998 -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tim Weidman Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 9:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: An OS "critique" and response i would love to know what group methods these int/sd community members consider 2t On Aug 26, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Karen Sella wrote: > Brilliant, Peggy! > > Thank you for taking the time to respond so generously and graciously > to Steve Banks. I completely agree with you. > > For some time, I have offered the perspective that OS is > "2nd-tier"---the principles of OS transcending and including all the > potential 1st-tier interactions---to others in the Integral/SDi > community who share this misconception that OS is a "green" method. > I have also introduced several "Integral/SDi" folks to Open Space as > a practical method congruent with 2nd-tier thinking that allows people > to more readily embody/enact 2nd-tier, even convening a few Open Space > events on their behalf, and I'm happy to say that some folks seem to > "get it," even though there are still others who maintain that OS is > "green." > > One theory I have about this misconception in the realm of integral is > that most of the folks within the Integral/SDi communities who > maintain that OS is "green" have either not experience Open Space or > they have experienced Open Space where the center of gravity of the > group in the room is green and the "integral" folks in the room are > confusing the state/stage of the people in the room with the method... > i.e. the fact that folks may be primarily embodying green during an > Open Space event does not mean that the Open Space method is green, > just like "Spiral Wizards" tailoring their interactions for the > predominately green consciousness of an audience, does not mean that > they, the Spiral Wizards, are operating from green consciousness... > > In any case, suffice it to say that I really appreciate reading your > wonderfully articulated and educated written response. > > Warm regards, > Karen > > > Karen Sella > www.luminacoaching.com > 206.780.2998 > > -----Original Message----- > From: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Peggy Holman > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 2:55 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: An OS "critique" and response > > Hhmmmm, I notice the attachments aren't attached. Here are links > instead: > > From Steve Banks: > http://www.opencirclecompany.com/FromOpenSpaceToIntegralSpace.doc > > > My response: http://www.opencirclecompany.com/IntegralOpenSpace.doc > > still sunny in Seattle, > Peggy > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Peggy Holman >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 2:00 PM >> Subject: [OSLIST] An OS "critique" and response >> >> My friend, Tom Atlee, sent me the attached doc, From Open >> Space...egral Space.doc, by Steve Banks. It struck me as so >> misinformed and error filled that I responded with Integral Open >> Space.doc. >> >> Thought you might find both the impressions of a neophyte and my >> response of interest. >> >> from sunny Seattle, >> Peggy >> >> ________________________________ >> Peggy Holman >> The Open Circle Company >> 15347 SE 49th Place >> Bellevue, WA 98006 >> (425) 746-6274 >> >> www.opencirclecompany.com >> * * ========================================================== >> [email protected] ------------------------------ To >> subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >> [email protected]: >> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about >> OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: >> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist > * * ========================================================== > [email protected] ------------------------------ To > subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of > [email protected]: > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about > OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: > http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * > ========================================================== > [email protected] ------------------------------ To > subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of > [email protected]: > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about > OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: > http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of [email protected]: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of [email protected]: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of [email protected]: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of [email protected]: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist
