Hello all As a regular reader of this list, and reader of both SD and integral theory, I just want to echo all the sentiments of Karen, here.
And from what I have come to understand, I consider the OS community to be a healthy healthy expression of what has been called the green meme (which is a rare and highly needed thing in this world). Kudos to all y'all. And from what I understand, where green gets "mean," is when, in its noble universal embrace, it also rejects all notions of hierarchy (which is ironically also less than the gift of the universal embrace of "green"). Also, it seems to me that Ken Wilber's writings have got to be as widely misunderstood as he is widely read. And most just don't seem to take (or have) the time to investigate deep enough before they offer a critique (which seems quite understandable to me). And they often offer a critique based only on the first few impressions of "followers" and students (or simple enjoyers), which is not very helpful or educational, it seems. One of the "mantras," if you will, of "Wilberites," is that "the map is never the territory." And so accusations to the contrary might want to take this into account, I suppose. Anyway, for whats its worth... Regards, Todd Guess www.toddgues.com -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Karen Sella Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: An OS "critique" and response Hi Tree, Although I can appreciate the sentiments expressed in your response to SD/Integral folks who are too simplistic/generalist and smug in their use of Integral/SDi developmental theories, as someone who appreciates and participates in the Integral and SDi communities, as well as OS, I want to assure you that there are "grown-ups" among the SD/Wilberites :) Warm regards, Karen Karen Sella www.luminacoaching.com 206.780.2998 -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tree Fitzpatrick Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: An OS "critique" and response I echo Tim Weidman's response to Peggy's posts. I remind this list that Wilber's spin on Spiral Dynamics significantly distorts the Spiral Dynamics model. Wilber has done a disservice to the great work embedded in Spiral Dynamics by getting so many of his followers to denigrate the green meme. It creeps me out to see people lumping people and systems into the green meme, making the designation of 'green meme' similar to namecalling in a school yard. I want to tell all those SD/Wilberites to grow up. Like Tim, I hate the way SD/Wilberites engage in one-upman-ship, but I am not above namecalling myself. Steve Banks must be below the green meme if he experienced three Open Space events and wrongly concluded that Open Space is green meme. Surely everyone on this list knows that Open Space fans are highly evolved, t-2 at a minimum and probably higher. He is obviously threatened by the advanced tool that is Open Space, eh?! Your response is excellent, Peggy, although Banks didn't really deserve a reasoned response. * * ========================================================== [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of [email protected]: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of [email protected]: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== [email protected] ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of [email protected]: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist
