To be clear, anyone could come and go, not just senior folks.  In fact, because 
we were on campus, a number of the corporate people did just that.  It was more 
that senior folks mostly opted to be absent, just showing up when they were 
supposed to say a few words.  Everyone else mostly opted to be there for the 
event.  

And I think Harrison has the right of it, my impression is that rudeness and 
disrespect are pretty embedded in the culture.

Peggy




On Jul 11, 2011, at 4:51 AM, Harrison Owen wrote:

> Part of Peggy’s tale that I noticed but didn’t really see was the part about 
> Senior Management, “coming and going.” (Thank you Eva!). I suspect that the 
> real issue was that the perceived rules of play were unequal. To wit – The 
> Seniors could do as they pleased and all the peons were stuck?
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> Coming and going in itself is not a problem in my experience, and may be a 
> very essential dynamic. For example, I have opened space in a Hospital which 
> simply could not afford to “shut down” for the occasion. So Everybody 
> (almost) showed up for the opening and the close, and in between they came 
> and went as need arose. Worked like a charm with the unanticipated benefit of 
> effectively turning the whole hospital into an Open Space. But everybody was 
> in the “flow.”
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> I can see the dynamic being very different, and unpleasantly so, should the 
> seniors just flit about while everybody else was supposed to keep their noses 
> to the grindstone. I guess it is an old fashioned idea, but to me that is 
> just plain rude and disrespectful. No wonder the place was just kind of 
> snarky! But I seriously doubt that the rudeness and disrespect emerged 
> because of the Open Space. Sounds more like a well practiced routine.
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> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eva P Svensson
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> Subject: Re: [OSList] A tale of two companies
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> Hi Peggy and all,
> As I am a bit "late" on reading - maybe my thoughts have been thought by 
> others and share on the list - I will see as I scroll down in my inbox - and 
> if so - the delete button is close :-) But if not - here are some thoughts 
> from a place where you soon will be :o))
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> My first two cents is that the fact that the management team had a need to 
> speak amongst themselves created a mistrust (that I am sure was there before) 
> and so -"why should we put up needs for action" - maybe involved from the 
> staff - to me it sounds like the elephant in the room was lack of trust. I 
> have not experienced that (yet...) but I had a strange OS meeting some years 
> ago - well the OS meeting was not strange but what happened afterwards was. 
> In short - we did not do any action planning - but voting on the hottest 
> topics and what came up as a clear #1 was then not taking into consideration 
> in our follow up meeting - and I ran into another elephant which was  (my 
> words) "week leadership" which I think I would have seen if I had done the 
> pre meeting properly. At this time the theme was so clear so we did not do a 
> proper one and I think if I had done for example a time-line where actions 
> and important things had come up - I would have had a better way to foresee 
> what was happening..
>  
> Then I wonder  about what you say here "They were confused when I re-opened 
> the space for action, saying they had been naming actions throughout. The 
> biotech meeting helped me see that re-opening the space for action turned out 
> to be an unnecessary thing to do."   I normally have that section in the  
> report - "ideas for next step" and still re-open if the purpose is to go to 
> action planning. I don't think it is one less thing to do - because it helps 
> people to be more concrete, to focus and really take responsibility.
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> And finally I do think you are right (of course :o)) that all the external 
> environments factors made a difference - especially if the management team 
> come and goes during what ever meeting - says something about the importance 
> of it..
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> 3 jul 2011 kl. 01.29 skrev Peggy Holman:
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> In the last few months, I opened space at a tech company and a biotech 
> company. On one level, they looked similar: one functional area, 
> international participation, a mix of managers and individual contributors.
> 
> Yet the experiences and the outcomes couldn't have been more different!  I'll 
> describe the two events and my reflections on what made the difference 
> between them.
> 
> Note: I wrote the story about the tech immediately following the Open Space 
> but didn't have a chance to edit and send it before the second experience. 
> You'll see a couple of questions that the experience raised for me embedded 
> in the story.  They took on a little different light following the second 
> experience.
> 
> Corporate dynamics at play in a technology company...
> 
> This OS was with an international sales and marketing meeting for the launch 
> of a new year. Day 1 was not in Open Space.  It was a manager’s only session, 
> using a mix of conversational forms (a huge stretch for the power point, 
> info-out culture). It went well. People appreciated talking rather than just 
> listening.  Many of the field people acknowledged the quality of listening 
> from headquarters people who usually do most of the talking.
> 
> On the first afternoon, the larger meeting – 100 people – began with a 
> conversation between execs and the people in the room.  A great, candid 
> conversation.
> 
> On day 2, we opened the space. During the Open Space, I ran into a several 
> issues that I haven't experienced before and wondered if others have.
> 
> Overall, it was a terrific day. And one of the unexpected dynamics surfaced: 
> the managers didn't feel complete with the conversations that they wanted 
> just amongst themselves. And they didn't feel they had the space for their 
> private conversation in the Open Space. My client caught wind of the 
> situation as they planned to organize a session during day 3's action 
> planning/next step breakout session time. That meant the management layer 
> wouldn't be part of action planning/next step conversations.
> 
> We negotiated having the manager session posted in the context of action 
> planning/next steps so that it would be visible even if not open to everyone. 
> In practice, it was announced but not posted.
> 
> We added a second action oriented round of breakout sessions in the afternoon 
> following a short briefing of what came out of the morning group to fit the 
> timing of the manager’s session,  It made room for managers or others to host 
> more action/next step sessions.
> 
> So question 1: have others run into the managers-only dynamic?  If so, how 
> have you dealt with it?  Are there questions you use in your pre-work for the 
> OS to surface the issue and deal with it in advance?  We thought we had 
> handled the need with the pre-meeting among managers. What signs might have 
> tipped us off to the need for more?
> 
> The second dynamic completely blindsided me. Normally the second morning of 
> an OS just buzzes!  Perhaps it was the party the night before but the group 
> was really subdued. When I opened the space for action, no one came forward. 
> Given the energy in the room, I had the sense that an elephant was sitting 
> there untouched. I asked if anyone would speak to what was up. Someone said 
> they didn't want to step on headquarter people's toes by proposing action 
> sessions that were really HQ responsibilities. The exec in the room 
> encouraged people to do so, saying that HQ was there to serve the field's 
> needs.  Ultimately, five sessions on topics of importance were posted.
> 
> After the meeting, my client said she thought the reluctance came from a 
> pattern of headquarters taking field input and having the suggestions 
> disappear without any feedback on what happened to the ideas or why. So why 
> should field people offer anything?
> 
> I got the impression that the field saw it as the responsibility of 
> headquarters people to take the lead. And the HQ people already felt full up 
> so they weren't stepping in. Plus, people didn't see a need for action 
> sessions since they felt they’d been identifying actions throughout the Open 
> Space.
> 
> Question 2: Given that tension between field and headquarters is common, have 
> others run into this sort of reluctance to post action sessions? Might we 
> have anticipated this perception before it put a damper on things?
> 
> It was one of the only Open Space gatherings I've ever done in which people 
> didn't come away saying, "Wow! Best meeting I've ever attended."  Instead, we 
> heard from many that the meeting was too open and confusing.  People wanted 
> to hear more from the senior managers about what was on their minds.  I left 
> the experience pondering the dynamics that led to that outcome.  The contrast 
> with this second meeting helped me identify some possibilities.
> 
>  
> 
> High times in a biotech...
> 
> The work was part of a company-wide change initiative. The senior manager was 
> its host.  He was actively involved. For example, he opened the meeting by 
> speaking of his aspirations for the department.  He also said a few words at 
> morning announcements and evening news on each of the two days.
> 
> Like the tech company, this session was basically one function -- human 
> resources -- with a few others invited for spice. Also similar to the tech 
> meeting, people came from around the world.
> 
> The meeting was a hit!  People instantly leaped out to post sessions.  With 
> about 100 participants, more than 50% posted something. I don't think I've 
> ever had a group that size post in that ratio. The conversations were rich 
> and useful. Along with the variety of topics, people worked through issues 
> around organizational levels as well as field/headquarters dynamics.  At 
> least three Open Space meetings resulted, to be hosted by different attendees 
> over the coming weeks.  In fact, I was invited to help with one of them.
> 
> One other aspect of this session: I ran a workshop before and after the OS 
> for about a half a dozen internal people to support them in opening space in 
> the organization. We also met to reflect on the experience before morning 
> announcements and after evening news during the Open Space.  In other words, 
> they had already adopted Open Space as a key element of how they wanted to 
> work. The organization is investing in a group of people to support creating 
> a conversational culture.
> 
> At a second OS I did with them a few weeks later, we brought most of the new 
> practitioners together to continue to learn together. It's wonderful because 
> they now have an internal community of practice to support each other.
> 
> I was grateful to have the biotech meeting on the heels of the technology 
> meeting! I went from questioning what I thought I knew to having some ideas 
> of what created the differences in the experiences.
> 
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> 
> Reflections on the differences that made a difference
> 
> The biotech was committed to changing their culture and open to new ways of 
> working. The OS was focused on the group envisioning how it can best perform 
> its role in the company in light of those changes. The tech company meeting 
> was more of a “stealth action” by a mid-level individual contributor familiar 
> with Open Space.  She was seeding the idea of a conversational culture.  In 
> other words, the biotech event occurred in fertile soil, the tech company 
> event was breaking up the hardpan.
> 
> At the biotech, the sponsor was a senior manager who was explicit about using 
> the event to spark culture change.  His whole team participated throughout 
> the event so there was no issue around hearing what senior people were 
> thinking.  They were in the room. In contrast, the tech company host was a 
> mid-level individual contributor.  She is highly trusted and used her 
> influence to bring Open Space in.  Her goal was to take steps towards 
> creating a more conversational culture.  Both intentions are valid. They just 
> created different experiences.
> 
> At the biotech, the sponsor had used Open Space at a previous organization as 
> part of a successful culture change initiative. He "got" the simplicity of 
> Open Space, not even feeling a need for an action round.  Instead, as part of 
> session notes, we asked people to include both a discussion and a "next 
> steps/commitments" section. That dealt with one of the disconnects in the 
> tech company meeting.  They were confused when I re-opened the space for 
> action, saying they had been naming actions throughout. The biotech meeting 
> helped me see that re-opening the space for action turned out to be an 
> unnecessary thing to do.
> 
> The biotech meeting was offsite, so even those who were stretched by the Open 
> Space stuck around because it was a big effort to leave.  That gave them time 
> to warm to the experience over the two days.  The tech company meeting was 
> onsite, making it easy for the senior managers and others to show up briefly 
> and leave.
> 
> Finally, the biotech is thriving and growing while the tech company is really 
> struggling to rediscover its identity. This external factor strikes me as a 
> key difference in the environments.
> 
> So what does it all mean?  I would still Open Space in the tech company.  
> There were plenty of people who found the experience worthwhile, even if 
> their feedback was quieter than those who were frustrated or confused. I 
> believe we prepared the soil for a few seeds to take root.
> For the tech company to take further steps, it strikes me that the person who 
> hosted the Open Space would benefit from finding informal partners, other 
> inside change agents.  I like to believe that even without strong leadership 
> support, she can make a dent.  As the biotech company shows, management 
> involvement can be an accelerator.  Still, as I think about what someone 
> sitting in the middle of an organization can do, enlisting partners who share 
> interest in creating a conversational culture could be a way to continue to 
> move forward.  By forming an informal community of learners, she can create a 
> system of support.
> Could we have done better?  No doubt.  I look forward to any thoughts you 
> have.
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> Appreciatively,
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> Peggy
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