Hi! I like this conversation about what OS is. And this practice notion is a bit complicated. I as non Enlgish speaker I looked for the meanings of the word and got confused. Could you Michael say it in other words what you mean that OS is practice (first of all). Especially when I read "do the practice" I cant understand the meaning.
Be well, Arno * * 2013/9/25 Michael Herman <[email protected]> > When I hear folks simplifying open space into a tool or technique, my > usual response is to point out that circle is a tool, bulletin board is a > tool, etc. Open Space is a *practice*, incorporating a number of these > different tools. And hopefully, my use of them together is getting more > and more skillful over time. To me, "practice" includes the suggestion > that we do it once, as best we can, and then we try again, and again, > learning and refining as we go. > > My felt sense of this is a little different from "values and principles" > though I don't think calling OS or agile or scrum that is incorrect. For > me the difference is that I hold values and principles, but practice is > something that *holds me*. > > I also like to suggest that open space is a robust practice, a sufficient > practice. Everything that's needed is there in the basic story and > mechanisms. We don't need to do anything more, add in different things. > Just do the practice and we get the experience, get the learning, the > performance, the self-organizing, the breathing. > > Thanks for your story, Harold. > > M > > > > > -- > > Michael Herman > Michael Herman Associates > 312-280-7838 (mobile) > > http://MichaelHerman.com > http://OpenSpaceWorld.org > > > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Peggy Holman <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Harold, >> >> Thanks for bringing your knowledgable and eloquent perspective. >> >> Great to see these two communities working through an understanding of >> each other. With you and others as translators, I think Agile is in good >> hands. >> >> Peggy >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Peggy Holman >> Journalism that Matters >> 15347 SE 49th Place >> Bellevue, WA 98006 >> 425-746-6274 >> www.journalismthatmatters.org >> www.peggyholman.com >> Twitter: @peggyholman >> JTM Twitter: @JTMStream >> >> *Enjoy the award winning* Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into >> Opportunity <http://peggyholman.com/papers/engaging-emergence/> >> Check out my series on what's emerging in the news & information >> ecosystem<http://www.journalismthatmatters.net/the_emerging_news_and_information_eco_system> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 23, 2013, at 7:53 AM, Harold Shinsato <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Harrison, >> >> About your statement "Open Space is a terrible way to introduce some new >> process, and especially to assure 'buy in'". >> >> You're clearing going directly against the heart of what Dan is trying to >> promote. Maybe I invite disaster for myself by speaking an alternative view >> from what you are saying given your founding status of this community - but >> perhaps given my 12+ years working in the Agile space - I have something >> worthwhile to say. >> >> Harrison, you've been opposed to calling "Open Space" a tool. And I hear >> Lisa Heft (the best Open Space trainer) talking about it being a tool all >> the time. >> >> I agree with both of you. Open Space is most emphatically *not* a tool at >> it's heart. It's a set of values and principles. But it is also definitely >> a tool. Or as Dan says, a 'game'. A beautifully designed game. >> >> Agile is most DEFINITELY not a process. It's a set of values and >> principles. You can see this in the Agile >> Manifesto<http://agilemanifesto.org/>- especially the first item, we value >> Individuals and Interactions *over* >> Processes and Tools. Yes, the Agile community applies many very specific >> tools and processes. And very heated debates happen around the application >> (or misapplication) of those tools and processes, such as Scrum. >> >> But oddly - even Scrum isn't *Really* a tool or a process. At the heart >> of Scrum is also a set of principles and values. If you want to get a sense >> of this - go to the end of the first book on Scrum, by Schwaber & Beedle >> "Agile Software Development with Scrum" - where it lists the 5 values of >> Scrum - Commitment, Focus, Openness, Respect & Courage. Or read Tobias >> Meyer's "The People's Scrum". Very powerful assertion and meditation on the >> core values and how to apply the processes to get >> >> Open Space has already been used with great success to introduce, promote >> and sustain Agile in the world through many uses of Open Space in >> conferences such as the AgileOpen, Coaching Camps, and Open Agile Adoption >> such as what Dan Mezick is explaining. From my vantage point, Open Space is >> critical for helping the values and principles to be successfully absorbed. >> >> From my vantage point - Open Space Technology's values and principles are >> eternal and aren't going away. The Universe won't suddenly stop >> self-organizing. If anything, we'll only get better at understanding and >> dancing with Order and Chaos. This dance, with the help of Open Space >> Technology the Game (or Tool) has changed my life and infused it with >> spirit. I'm eternally grateful to you, Harrison, to Lisa Heft, and to and >> this community. And maybe Open Space Technology the game or tool will pass >> away. The same goes for Agile values and principles. They're eternal. >> They're not going away. The Process will never be more important than the >> Individuals. The People are always more important than the Game. >> >> BUT - there are powerful forces behind trying to adopt agile as merely a >> tool or a process, because it's easier to understand. And that invites >> failure - and it's the exact kind of failure you're writing about, >> Harrison, about how our creations are "inevitably clunky." To succeed, any >> implementation of Agile or Scrum needs to be able to self-organize - >> "Inspect and Adapt" is one of the anthems of the agile and scrum >> communities. I hope that the Open Space community will step up and help the >> Agile community to do that. >> >> Thanks, >> Harold >> >> >> On 9/22/13 10:45 AM, Harrison Owen wrote: >> >> Dan wrote: “I've learned that there are actually more ways to fail with >> Open Space in Agile adoptions than there are ways to succeed. There are >> many ways to stumble when trying this.”**** >> >> >> >> Actually, Dan – I am not at all surprised. I learned a long time ago that >> Open Space is a terrible way to introduce some new process, and especially >> to assure “buy in.” Typically, problems arise because folks take Open Space >> seriously. Instead of buying into the proposed process, they begin to >> invent their own! Somewhere I wrote that OS was a great way to design a new >> accounting system, but a horrible way to “implement” it.**** >> >> >> >> And just to be contrarian... I wonder whether the failure is a function >> of Open Space or Agile (and/or the SCRUM flavor of Agile)? As I think we >> have come to understand, Open Space is a total scam if people mistake it >> for some process we invented or “do.” It is simply an invitation to be what >> we always have been – self organizing. The process itself (SO) has been >> around for some time, and apparently has done quite well, witness the fact >> that we, along with all the rest of the Cosmos are here and seemingly >> functional. In a “face off” between a well functioning self-organizing >> system and any process we might have designed to create the system, install >> the system, or enhance the system – the designed process doesn’t have a >> chance. The reason is simple. No matter how wise, careful, diligent or >> skillful we may be – our creation is inevitably clunky. We may get the big >> blocks right, even some of the finer points, but at the end of the day we >> always miss the nuances – and as always, the devil is in the details. Put >> somewhat differently, our designed processes are always “averages” of what >> we think the process should look like. And “averages” do not exist anywhere >> in nature. To push an “average” on a natural system is always to make it >> function at some sub-optimal level, and usually to kill it.**** >> >> >> >> So maybe the order of precedence should go the other way? Use Agile to >> introduce Open Space, and then abolish Agile. Or, if you like ... >> Self-Organization is the natural agility. It doesn’t get any better than >> that. Or something**** >> >> >> >> Harrison**** >> >> >> >> **** >> >> >> >> Harrison Owen**** >> >> 7808 River Falls Dr.**** >> >> Potomac, MD 20854**** >> >> USA**** >> >> >> >> 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)**** >> >> Camden, Maine 04843**** >> >> >> >> Phone 301-365-2093**** >> >> (summer) 207-763-3261**** >> >> >> >> www.openspaceworld.com **** >> >> www.ho-image.com (Personal Website)**** >> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >> OSLIST Go to: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org**** >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] [ >> mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] >> *On Behalf Of *Daniel Mezick >> *Sent:* Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:26 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* [OSList] Open Space with Agile: Failure patterns**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Greetings to you, >> >> In Paris this week at the Global Scrum Gathering I plan to issue certain >> warning about specific failure patterns I have experienced when working >> with Open Space inside Agile adoptions. I can tell you right now that Open >> Space by itself is not a panacea for the complex problems associated with >> Agile adoption. >> >> Agile is actually a cover story about the wider act of bringing culture >> change (a new and unfamiliar game) to an enterprise situation (the old >> story we all want to cling to). The SPIRIT book pretty much spells out the >> problem. >> >> I've learned that there are actually more ways to fail with Open Space in >> Agile adoptions than there are ways to succeed. There are many ways to >> stumble when trying this. I'll be enumerating some of these subtle >> Agile-related pitfalls and traps in the Paris keynote on Tuesday, and in >> upcoming blog posts. Simply holding one or more canonical Open Space >> meetings (with full pre-planning and post processing) is not enough to >> neutralize the forces that oppose healthy and well Agile adoptions. The >> game mechanics, storytelling and passage-rite-structure elements must be >> present and robust for Open Space to be an effective tool in Agile >> adoptions. Open Space and these elements are composed in harmony with each >> other in the Open Agile Adoption technique. >> >> If you offer training in Open Space for Facilitators and/or Sponsors, I >> invite you to send me your links and I will make sure they are added to the >> list of resources I am beginning to compile at OpenAgileAdoption.com. I >> plan to list in the Paris slides some specific French-language OST course >> offerings from French-speaking instructors located in Europe, and Quebec. >> >> Kind Regards, >> Dan**** >> >> -- >> >> **** >> >> Daniel Mezick, President**** >> >> New Technology Solutions Inc.**** >> >> (203) 915 7248 (cell)**** >> >> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog<http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. >> Twitter <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>. **** >> >> Examine my new book: The Culture Game >> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the >> Agile Manager.**** >> >> Explore Agile Team >> Training<http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/>and >> Coaching. <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>**** >> >> Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net/user-groups/ma/> >> Community. **** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click >> below:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> >> >> >> -- >> Harold Shinsato >> [email protected] >> http://shinsato.com >> twitter: @hajush <http://twitter.com/hajush> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > >
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