At 6:27 AM -0700 13/11/08, Chris Gehlker wrote:
>On Nov 13, 2008, at 1:49 AM, David Cake wrote:
>
>> Which is why civil unions granted by the state, and leaving
>> the sanctity of the marriage sacrament to the churches won't satisfy
>> any bigot. There will immediately be gay friendly churches and
>> religions that want to sanctify gay marriages, and once gay marriage
>> is made purely a religious question, it becomes clearly
>> unconstitutional for the state to legislate about it.
>
>Some "bigots" say that the only issue they have is with the legal
>definition of 'marriage'. The question is would they accept no
>definition at all. It's an empirical question.
And I'm quite sure they wouldn't -- I'm sure if there was a
campaign to take marriage out of the legal system, it would be be
seen as evidence of the US ceasing to ba 'Christian Nation' and
giving itself over wholly to secular humanism.
(I know that the US isn't a 'Christian nation', but that is
not the word view of the fundies)
>
>> his
>> argument relies on the idea that there is nothing wrong with churches
>> wanting to impose their understanding of the sacrament of marriage on
>> the entire community, including non-believers and gay friendly
>> churches.
>
>I have no idea where you got that. You certainly can't infer it from
>anything I said.
Well, your argument is essentially that there is nothing
wrong with withholding the 'sacrament' of marriage, as long as civil
unions grant exactly the same rights, so there is room for a
compromise -- I don't think that the room for that compromise exists,
given both there are strong opinions on both sides about both the
sacrament and the governments role in ruling on it.
> > The good news is,
>> the pro gay marriage side clearly skews hugely with demographics, so
>> it is probably one of those things that, if the pressure is kept up,
>> will inevitably fall over the line one of these decades.
>
>I agree that the current approach will work eventually. I fid that a
>poor argument against adopting a strategy that might work sooner.
I'm sceptical that it would work.
Cheers
David
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