On Jan 19, 2009, at 1:07 PM, Roger Howard wrote: > > On Jan 19, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Lawrence Sica wrote: >> No offense but they just need to shut up and let Obama get in >> office before they start making demands. > > No "they" don't. We all have a right to a voice and an opinion. Obama > is a grownup, he signed up for this and he and his advisors can sort > out the issues, but no one has to shut-up... that's a despicable > attitude, one fortunately not shared by the new administration and one > that reeks of blindly following.. not something I think this new > president has asked for.'
Actually, I think they do. In this case they are not even correct in how the law works. I find it funny about the types who pushed hard to get Bush out and then immediately decided to start going after Obama before he actually has really done anything concrete to go after for. It's one thing to say "look at this please" it is quite another to go into an immediate attack mode full on with the rhetoric before there is anything to attack on. They are stuck in the same mentality from when Bush was really around. They need to move on and rethink what they are saying. History is rife with examples of the damage this attitude has caused in the wake of any serious political change. This has nothing to do with blindly following. This has to do with what needs to be done first. This also has to do with actually looking at what you are asking for before you make all sorts of grand pronouncements about what someone has to do and why. They are not saying "hey can you look at this" they are saying "look at this or else we brand you a criminal too" I'd say there is a bit of a difference in the attitude. The former is fine, the latter is just stupid and needs to not be said. The latter leads to all sorts of bad things. This is not 2004, this is not 2000. If you look at Obamas general attitude it is not vindictiveness, their attitude on the other hand smacks of it. > > >> They also need to understand there are more important problems right >> now than a public circus. > > The US govt. is more than capable of multitasking, and again it is not > up to *us* to decide the order of operations - we can demand > accountability and yet understand that he's got other things going on > - he has specifically acknowledged that in his role he doesn't get to > pick and choose the one thing he wants to focus on. > Actually it is up to us in the form of talking to our elected officials. This is a gov't for the people by the people. It was letting Bush do what he wanted without said input that led us down this road. It was ignoring what the congress was doing that led us down this road. And I'd say this article, hell most of the ones from commondreams.org now seem to not understand that the world is not only their small sphere and he has, perhaps, more pressing concerns. They are so fixated on going after Bush and seem to have a sense of entitlement that Obama must do what he says. They are fools for acting in that manner. > Just because his current position may be soft on this issue, and > people are hyper-sensitive to criticizing Obama this early on, doesn't > mean we need to avoid the tough issues. He asked to be, and will be, > held to a higher standard, which in my mind means not sweeping under > the rug massive abuses of the Constitution just because it's > politically inconvenient. > Soft? I'd say more like nuanced and realistic. This is not about political convenience. It's about the massive breakdown of the structure of the federal gov't and the economy. I'd say the first order of business is to fix things then go after the root cause. In any troubleshooting situation you fix the problem before you try and solve the underlying causes. Restore then repair. What do you think would happen right now if Obama on his first day of office started arresting Bushies? Really what do you think would happen? --Larry _______________________________________________ OSX-Nutters mailing list | [email protected] http://lists.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters List hosted at http://cat5.org/
