On Jan 19, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > > On Jan 19, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Roger Howard wrote: > >> >> On Jan 19, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Lawrence Sica wrote: >>> No offense but they just need to shut up and let Obama get in >>> office before they start making demands. >> >> No "they" don't. We all have a right to a voice and an opinion. > > I think what Larry might be saying (correct me if I'm wrong, Larry) is > that > ... let's get Obama in office - get Holder appointed (so far, Holder > has said waterboarding is torture and there is precedent for > prosecution. He hasn't said he'll pursue Cheney and the others) > The US has admitted to waterboarding. Waterboarding is a war crime. > It's hard to get around that simple fact. > So Obama is in a quandary. He knows he needs to pull together > Republicans and Democrats in order to solve the economic crisis and > deal with Iraq and Aghanistan. > At the same time, he swears to uphold the laws of the land. He often > states his background in Constitutional law. > The fact that he nominated Holder says something. > I don't think we should shut up though -- I think we need to keep the > pressure on Obama. > From Obama's perspective, maybe it's a matter of opportune timing. >
That is mostly what I am saying. I also think there is a way to say something or ask for something. Flat out demanding using insinuations that if you ignore what they want makes you a criminal too is not how you do it. >> >> >> Now is exactly the time for supporters and detractors alike to be >> making their demands clear. > > true .. > > And for Obama, he needs to play a chess game - figuring out how to get > the Republicans to go along with his agenda. > He knows investigating and prosecuting is the right thing to do. He > also knows if he goes after the "evil ones" (who may include Pelosi, > Rockerfeller and other Dems) too early, he'll get nothing done as the > Republicans will simply block everything he attempts to accomplish. > > But yeah, we shouldn't shut up, at all. Let all voices be heard. > You too, Chuck :-) Sure, reasoned debate and addressing wants/desires in a reasonable manner is fine. It's when things go beyond reasonable that I don't like. Also there is justice and there is vengeance. I get the sense many on commondreams.org want the latter. --Larry _______________________________________________ OSX-Nutters mailing list | [email protected] http://lists.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters List hosted at http://cat5.org/
