On Feb 5, 2009, at 1:21 PM, Roger Howard wrote:

> On Thu, February 5, 2009 9:38 am, Lawrence Sica wrote:
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Patrick Coskren wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 5, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Lawrence Sica wrote:
>>>
>>>> MySQL is, to be frank, shittastic.  I never understood
>>>> the joy and awesomeness that some people think that it is made up  
>>>> of.
>>>
>>> Short learning curve and very quick for tasks with high-frequency
>>> reads, low-frequency writes, and no strong need for data integrity.
>>>
>>
>> That short learning curve is part of the problem.  You have people
>> managing databases with no actual understanding of what that means as
>> a result.  Not that something needs to be hard, but it needs to not  
>> be
>> too simple.
>
> Well, I'm not sure if you mean me.. I'll readily admit I'm not a  
> DBA. But
> I deal in data, and have built a number of database-backed  
> applications
> over the years - typically internal applications, supporting  
> production
> environments and clients. I know my limits, and in my current  
> environment
> I'm happy to have far more skilled people than I am to do the real  
> hard
> work.
>

Let me clarify.  You sounds more like a developer and not an admin.   
That's fine.  It's when you get people who think they need no training  
because it seems so easy.  I am talking about some basic ideas and  
concepts which you seem to grasp.  I am in a similar boat.  I won't  
pretend to know as much as the Oracle DBAs at work but I know enough  
to manage my own small installations and I hope not make stupid  
mistakes.


>
> architect, just a technical business user. Also, I'm reminded  
> frequently
> that SQL wasn't intended just for DBAs - it was meant as a general  
> purpose
> query language for people like me... and I tend to have no problem  
> with
> the language itself, with grokking complex databases. It's just the  
> tools
> that occasionally get in the way.
>

Yes, SQL was designed to let people interact with the database in a  
meaningful way.  But it is just another tool I think.

--Larry


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