Hello Vicki:

Thank your for apologizing, truly a rare commodity in today's world.

Your  previous comments really have made me think as to why some people
see a conflict and others don't. For example, were I previously worked,
I  was  probably  the  only  OT  (out  of  7)  that had issues with the
physician's  perceptions  of  OT's  role. I now think that one possible
explanation  for  this  is  bases more on my expectation of the OT role
versus other OT's.

Several  of  the  OT's  were  comfortable and quite happy with the OT =
Upper  Extremity format of treatment. This sort of treatment philosophy
was  well supported and endorsed by the medical system of the hospital.
OT's  that  has  this  perspective seemed to accept their role and they
seemed comfortable within the system.

On  the  other  had,  my  role  expectation  of  OT was not about upper
extremity.  My expectation was that I was the expert in occupation, not
the expert in upper extremity function. It is this expectation that did
not  fill  well  within  the medical model and that was not recognized.
But, it is what our profession claims to do and it is to a small degree
how  I  was trained. For me, being an occupation-based practitioner was
like a round peg in a square hole.

The ironic thing is that occupation-based practice really is a good fit
in  the  medical  model  but  only  if the model widens its view. There
already  exists  much  anecdotal evidence and some research pointing to
the fact that what is most important is restoring occupation (what some
call  function  but which is NOT equivalent with occupation). Insurance
willing pays for people to regain some of their lost occupation. People
want  to be able to do what's meaningful and relevant (i.e. occupation)
and outcomes are about occupation. Unfortunately however, some outcomes
look  at function (i.e. the functional independence measure) but do not
really  look  at  occupation.  None  the less, occupation (function) is
where  it's  at  and the said thing is that OT is already there and has
been  there  for a LONG time. In my opinion, our future is NOT in upper
extremity function, it is in occupation.

On  a  side note, I have asked many PT's if they believe OT's are upper
extremity  experts and I have yet to have one say yes. It's like we are
experts  in  our  own  minds  but the reality is that other professions
don't  see  that.  Of course, there are always exceptions and I am sure
there  are many reader on this list who ARE upper extremity experts but
this is probably because of advance training they have taken. To what I
am  referring  is  to the average practitioner who has not taken course
that specialize in upper extremity function)

WOW!, sorry for the long tirade. And I haven't even had a cup of coffee
yet!  Well  off  to see my therapist! (sorry for grammatical errors, no
time to proof read)

Ron

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On 7/24/02, Vickie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

VP> Ron Carson wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Vicki:
>> 
>> I am not sure how long you've been a member of this list.  Just for your
>> information, I started this list, albeit with a different name, in 1998.
>> This was two years before I began teaching.  Back then, the discussions and
>> conversations where much the same as they are today.  My impetus for
>> starting the original discussion forum was because of my experiences in the
>> 'real world'.  The 'conflict' that you mention did not start at the academic
>> level, it started at the treatment level.  My intention is not about
>> justifying my job (in fact this list has NOTHING to do with my job) but it
>> is my attempt to help ensure that there are jobs for graduates of OT schools
>> around the country.
>> 
>> Ron
>> 
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>> On 7/23/2002, Vickie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> 
>> VP> THERE is plenty for everyone to do. Not just if you work in Canada or
>> VP> the UK but here in the USA.
>> 
>> VP> This 'conflict' it appears to me, has been initiated at the academic
>> VP> level.  AND I think the 'conflict' is either a 'perceived' one, or is a
>> VP> 'political' one.
>> 
>> VP> I'M GOING TO MAKE A REALLY SWEEPING ASSUMPTION HERE, THAT IT DOESN'T
>> VP> REALLY EXIST IN THE REAL WORLD.
>> 
>> VP> Academicians, please find something better to do with your time than
>> VP> drum up conflict with the working force so you can justify your jobs!
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VP> Ron,
VP> Thanks for the response and for correcting my assumption.  My apologies.
VP> My opinion still stands, however.  That is the view from where I sit.

VP> OT's I have had contact with and PT's are not in conflict with each
VP> other, in this area.  Nurses are the conflict/control originators.
VP> I'm in Texas in home care.  Have been for 20 years. Although I've done
VP> some 'prn' work in most all major in pt. facilities in the Dallas area
VP> inthe last 10 years.

VP> The combined OT/PT board helps set the stage for cooperation.
VP> vickie

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