Hello Estelle: Do you do spinal manipulation??? :-)
============================================= On 8/4/2003,[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DEB> Ron, It is clear to me that you advocate for the continued debate DEB> of this topic. I would rather advocate for the profession. And I DEB> sincerely believe that my education and that of my students DEB> prepares me and them to treat the whole person. But I do not do DEB> surgery. Estelle DEB> -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DEB> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Carson Sent: DEB> Sunday, August 03, 2003 9:52 PM To: Dr. Estelle Breines Subject: DEB> Re: [OTlist] what is OT? DEB> Hello Estelle: DEB> With all due respect, what may be a dead horse for yourself is new DEB> material for other readers. I for one, advocate the continued DEB> debate of this topic. It seems to me that there remains must DEB> confusion over OT's definition and role, not only by other DEB> professionals but by OT's themselves. DEB> While PT's do have their own problems, I disagree that we are not DEB> in competition. All healthcare providers that work in similar DEB> domains are in competition with each other. All types of therapists DEB> including, Rec, Speech, Massage, Physical, Occupation and rehab DEB> therapists are competing for access to a limited resource. While I DEB> agree that we need not continually 'compare' ourselves to PT, it DEB> seems to me that we are definitely in some form of competition with DEB> their profession. DEB> As for treating the whole person, I think that no one discipline DEB> can treat the whole person. A person is much to intricate and DEB> complex be treated as a whole. And even if we do treat the whole DEB> person, most other professions will say the same thing. That is DEB> that they treat the whole person. As a PT or a nurse and they will DEB> probably say something similiar to treating the whole person. DEB> While I do not advocate a reductionistic approach to treatment, I DEB> also believe that as OT's we are grossly limited by our knowledge DEB> and practice acts to treat the whole person. The best that I can DEB> hope for when it comes to clients, is to treat them as individuals DEB> with missing occupational needs, wants and desires. DEB> Just my 2 cents, DEB> Ron DEB> ============================================= DEB> On 8/1/2003,[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DEB>> In 1955, Frieda Behlen taught me that "OT treats the whole DEB>> person." Nothing has changed! DEB>> If everyone would spend their time advancing OT instead of DEB> reworking the DEB>> same old dead horse, we'd all be better off DEB>> Go see your political representatives, or do some clinical DEB> research, or DEB>> get a population hooked on promoting OT. Forget about PT. We are DEB> not DEB>> in competition with them. They have their own problems. DEB>> Dr. Estelle Breines DEB>> -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DEB>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On DEB> Behalf DEB>> Of Brian Holmquist DEB>> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:03 AM DEB>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DEB>> Subject: RE: [OTlist] what is OT? DEB>> don't forget, if you are to use history to define OT one must look DEB> to DEB>> the Hull House and the immense psycho-social influence that is DEB> largely DEB>> lost in many practice areas of OT... just my two cents. DEB>> Brian Holmquist MOT, OTR/L >>>From: Jimmie Arcenaux >>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" >>>Subject: RE: [OTlist] what is OT? >>>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:50:30 -0600 >>>I believe also that the use of occupational or "functional" (I hate DEB>> using >>>that term because it is coined well too often by OTs) activities as DEB> the >>>primary treatment modality is a hallmark of occupational therapy. It DEB> is >>>what the professions history is based upon. Jimmie >>>-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 10:56 PM To: >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OTlist] what is OT? >>>I think the big difference between PT and OT is that PT looks at a DEB>> specific >>>part and determine what the dysfunction is and treat what they find DEB>> from >>>there. >>>This in turn aids the person to be able to return the patient to a DEB>> function. >>>Where as with OT the look at the whole individual physically and >>>psychologically and find a way to either adapt or assist the patient DEB> in >>>doing the activities that they want to do. >>>CR >>>Developing your own mind and your psyche will keep you in control of DEB>> your >>>own reality. - Sister Souljah >>>*****************************RC********************************** >>>To remove yourself from the OTnow mail list, send a message to: >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>In the message's *body*, put the following text: >>>unsubscribe OTlist >>>- >>>List messages are archived at: >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>*****************************RC*********************************** >>>*****************************RC********************************** >>>To remove yourself from the OTnow mail list, send a message to: >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>In the message's *body*, put the following text: >>>unsubscribe OTlist >>>- >>>List messages are archived at: >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>*****************************RC*********************************** DEB>> _____ DEB>> Protect your PC - Click here <http://g.msn.com/8HMCENUS/2755??PS=> DEB> for DEB>> McAfee.com VirusScan Online DEB>> *****************************??********************************** DEB> To DEB>> remove yourself from the OTnow mail list, send a message to: DEB>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message's *body*, put the following DEB> text: DEB>> unsubscribe OTlist - List messages are archived at: DEB>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] DEB>> *****************************??*********************************** DEB> *****************************RC********************************** DEB> To remove yourself from the OTnow mail list, send a message to: DEB> [EMAIL PROTECTED] DEB> In the message's *body*, put the following text: DEB> unsubscribe OTlist DEB> - DEB> List messages are archived at: DEB> http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] DEB> *****************************RC*********************************** DEB> *****************************��********************************** DEB> To remove yourself from the OTnow mail list, send a message to: DEB> [EMAIL PROTECTED] DEB> In the message's *body*, put the following text: DEB> unsubscribe OTlist DEB> - DEB> List messages are archived at: DEB> http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] DEB> *****************************��*********************************** *****************************��********************************** To remove yourself from the OTnow mail list, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message's *body*, put the following text: unsubscribe OTlist - List messages are archived at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] *****************************��***********************************
