Hello Carmen: To tell the truth, I started ordering from S&S but when I saw that they added a "handling" fee in addition to shipping, I opted to not provide them my money.
I still don't understand why the product that I orderd from "Allen Conferences" has a photocopied handbook! But, I will say that IT IS the 2003 revision! Ron ===========> Original Message Follows .... On5/16/2005, Carmen Aguirre, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: CA> I strongly recommend anyone interested in ordering ACLS and CA> other Allen's battery items, that you go through S&S worldwide. My CA> understanding is that Allen Conferences is NO LONGER a CA> representative of Claudia Allen's work, revisions to her work, CA> education/training on behalf of Claudia Allen, Tina Blue and Kathy CA> Earthart. There is a revised version to the 2000 ACLS scoring CA> guidelines completed by the Allen Cognitive Advisors network in CA> 2003. The guidelines are available ONLY through S&S worldwide. CA> Members of the Allen Cognitive Network could answer more CA> questions...Contacting Allen conferences and asking about the CA> revised version may answer more questions for you... CA> Carmen CA> ----- Original Message ----- CA> From: Ron Carson<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CA> To: Joan Riches<mailto:[email protected]> CA> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 3:40 AM CA> Subject: Re[2]: [OTlist] Calling all Allen Cogn Screen People!!! A Question CA> Hello Joan: CA> Thanks for pointing out the information about the 4.2 vs. 4.4 scoring. CA> This means that the client scores a 4.4. CA> I can not find the information in my ACLS 2000 manual about the pouch CA> versus non-pouch. Can you tell me what page in the manual has the CA> explanation? CA> I must tell you though, I ordered my kit from "Allen Conferences" in CA> Ormond Beach, FL. (literally 20 minutes from my house). When the kit CA> arrived, it came in a open bag that was marked "S&S". The instruction CA> manual is a photocopy of the actual instruction booklet!!! And it was CA> simply copied onto several pieces of plain paper!! I called the company CA> back and he insisted that this is the way they receive them from S&S! I CA> wish I had Claudia Allen's e-mail because I would send her this message. CA> Ron CA> ===========> Original Message Follows .... CA> On5/12/2005, Joan Riches, CA> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> said: CA> JR> Hi Ron CA> JR> My version of the scoring which is the 2000 revision says "When there is a CA> JR> discrepancy between the whipstitch and single cordovan stitch, score the CA> JR> highest score." This is the last sentence in the administration section CA> JR> headed Whipstitch not in the scoring guidelines. CA> JR> How do your clinical observations of this client fit with the profile of the CA> JR> screening score you got? You must validate it somehow by observing actual CA> JR> voluntary motor behaviour, or having behaviour described to you by someone CA> JR> other than the client, which fits the profile before you report conclusions. CA> JR> One way to validate is to continue interventions such as the lymphodema CA> JR> wrapping instruction and see if the 4.4 prediction holds. Then you have a CA> JR> good case for the client's continuing need for assistance. CA> JR> 4.2/4.4 is such a neat score to start with. It gives you a crack at all CA> JR> three stitches but the inability is clear to see. At the beginning it is CA> JR> easy to doubt yourself at 4.6 and above when clients can put up a verbal CA> JR> screen. CA> JR> My version also explains the pouch versus no pouch as item 6 in the set up CA> JR> instructions. CA> JR> Generally to my initial amazement people do do all the things in the scoring CA> JR> guidelines. Sometimes they do completely different things. This is our cue CA> JR> to look for focal deficits and perceptual problems. It also gives you CA> JR> confidence to push for further investigation. Two of our 'nonstandard' CA> JR> clients had brain tumors and a third had a previously undetected abdominal CA> JR> mass - go figure. We kept insisting that there had to be something until the CA> JR> docs ordered more investigation. CA> JR> Yes, we use the ADM. Often in a craft group to follow our long term care CA> JR> residents who have a base line score so we have a pretty good idea where to CA> JR> start, or with people who refuse the leather (often former nurses or school CA> JR> teachers). We use it also if we are checking for improvement because CA> JR> learning may be retained from the original administration. If you are CA> JR> following a decline you can continue to use the leather. It's an expensive CA> JR> proposition for someone working alone in private practice like you. What CA> JR> "book" do you have? CA> JR> Kathy Earhart who has developed most of the ADM was the main speaker at last CA> JR> year's symposium and she put us all through our paces. I'll never forget my CA> JR> red face when I looked at my own sun hanger and said "There is a mistake in CA> JR> the sample." -looked again and saw why the piece in question was positioned CA> JR> as it was. We all learned a lot about ourselves. CA> JR> Again - have fun. CA> JR> Joan Riches CA> JR> -----Original Message----- CA> JR> From: CA> [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CA> JR> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf CA> JR> Of Ron Carson CA> JR> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 2:38 PM CA> JR> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> CA> JR> Subject: [OTlist] Calling all Allen Cogn Screen People!!! A Question CA> JR> OK all you allen people, I need help!! The scoring guidelines are CA> JR> confusing. CA> JR> The whipstich guidelines indicate a score of 4.4 is possible,if the CA> JR> client corrects mistakes. However, the more complicated cordovan stitch CA> JR> results in a score of 4.2 if the client "follows the whip stitch...and CA> JR> does not benefit from [repeated] demonstration". CA> JR> So, what is the score if the client complete the whipstich and corrects CA> JR> mistakes (4.4) but then is unable to do the cordovan stitch (4.2)? CA> JR> Thanks CA> JR> Ron CA> JR> P.S. I am open and willing to hear any and all suggestions about the CA> JR> ACLS. CA> JR> p.s.s. Does anyone use the Allen Diag. Module (ADM)? CA> -- CA> Unsubscribe? CA> CA> [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CA> Change options? CA> CA> www.otnow.com/mailman/options/otlist_otnow.com<http://www.otnow.com/mailman/options/otlist_otnow.com> CA> Archive? CA> CA> www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]<http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]> CA> Help? CA> [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CA> -- CA> Unsubscribe? CA> [EMAIL PROTECTED] CA> Change options? 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